turning now to former fbi investigator bill daley. bill, a couple of very interesting notes there in listening to mollie's reporting. i'm just curious, given the number of crimes scenes, if you will, i mean, they could. law enforcement can head over to bowden, try to figure out what, if anything, we can glean from where he's from. we also have the bowling alley, the restaurant, the pool hall, the vehicle itself. >> i mean, it's a buckshot, but i'm imagining there must be a method to the madness. >> walk me through that process . >> yes, certainly. the crime scenes may may hold key information, particularly as in this vehicle. the crime scenes themselves, you know, may give an indication as to why he targeted them. that may be evident by some of those statements from witnesses or perhaps something that he may come across and going his background, but perhaps his vehicle may give some idea as to whatever else he had in mind in that, you know, traveling in that vehicle, whether it be papers, documents or other things that are left behind.

we'll talk to bill daley about the race for speaker. >> watching a competing network yesterday, somewhat friendly toward the former president from time to time. twopeople, female anchor said, when they did this story about trump being speaker, i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. >> meaning? >> speaker of house or meaning -- >> cthe other anchor, what? she said, oh, no, i meant that's such a bad job i wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy. i wasn't saying, the guy went, okay, just want to make sure. >> still on point. >> very telling. very telling. >>> healthcare workers at k kaiser -- >> what do you make of the gag order on him and these rants that he goes on and when is he going to be -- honestly thrown in prison by the judge. >> do you think that's a good idea? once again? >> law and order doesn't matter. >> once again that adds to his martyrdom in america. >> sure, at some point you can't run around as party on either side and say you care about law and order and allow these things to continue. it's obscene. it's on scene. it's disgraceful. there's not freedom of speech when you're i

so is bill daley. anyway, the point of this, the it was secret was because obama want to be accused of measuring the drapes in the oval office before he was elected. but he knew how important it was to figure out who his white house chief would be unlike some other. and he and so erskine bowles, who was on this phone call call marvelously and i'd kind of unforgettably the first thing he said was listen leave your chicago friends at home they will only cause you grief. well everybody on the call was from chicago practically david axelrod, valerie jarrett bill daley and all the rest he did not take that advice. needless to say he appointed rahm emanuel who was i think a good at the time for the for the first part of the obama but my point is is is once again that presidents often learn the hard way that you have to empower a white house chief obama understood this i think from the beginning and that was one of the one of the reasons i think including his is good choices of chiefs of staff over the year p

bill daley with us, former fbi investigator. ll, obviously, the developments overnight are that he took his own life. we don't know exactly when he took it, we don't know exactly what's in that note that he left behind for his son. how do you piece or try to piece a lot of this together? >> well, neil, first of all, thanks for having me on this morning. you know, i think as you first touched on, this story, you know, there's relief, there's grief and there's despair in that community. and the despair's understanding what really happened. and it's not just what happened at the two venues where the shootings took place, but what happened before. why weren't any trip wires in place if it turns out to be that he was under medical supervision or he'd gone in for treatment for some emotional, medical issues back this past summer. but as far as investigators piecing this together, you know, when these incidents occur, you know, we sometimes look at it, you know, from aa far, we start to try to piece this thing together being, you know,

bill daley joining us again. thanks for your patience. what did you make from this? >> as you mentioned there are a lot of unanswered questions, what created this kind of nexus for him to carry out these sort of crimes. you hear bits and pieces of him losing his job and a personal life perhaps in disarray and those converge in addition to his earlier mental health issues that were-- came about this past summer to his reserve unit. you know, what i also-- i did learn is that he did purchase weapons murray recently. the a.t.f. representative spoke about that. he had a number of weapons that he owned, but he did purchase several more recently, whether that was in preparation for this-- these murders or what was driving that per se. i would like to say, neil, is that i don't know if you took away as well, throughout this process i do want to say the way they presented it, the press conferences and communications i think from a crisis management perspective, they did a very good job. as forth coming as they could, as was mentioned during the course of the debriefing at ti

and understanding of all this is when i became chief of staff in january 2011 was about the time bill daley became the president's second chief of staff. and bill and i, you know, made the decision that i would actually be, you know, an assistant to the president and one of the senior advisers to the president would carry that title. and therefore be in bill's very painful 730 in the morning every morning. right. phil and nancy and were there there ever 38 in the morning. chief of staff meeting which enabled me to actually sit there as both her chief of staff and robert had this dual as as running the council on two girls so that was that was another reason to sit there but allowed us to be very much in sync with what he was doing. if there was an issue on veterans. so i did a lot of work with when denis mcdonough was chief of staff, the two of us sort of spearhead it efforts to try to make changes in the in the department of veterans affairs. you know, when there were issues that would touch upon us, we were very involved in a lot of the food policy work. and sam kass, you know, became a f