but he was extremely loyal to bill. >> did you ever go to pam smart's office with bill flynn? she goes -- she says to bill, now you see why i have to have it done. >> you listen to those interrogations, and you're struck by how they say pam was just determined to get this done. >> how often would you talk to pam about doing it? >> she would bring it up almost every day. she said she hated him. she started yelling at me, saying, well, if you're never going to do this, i want to know right now, so i can -- so we can end this right now, because i don't want to, you know, go on like this. >> billy flynn comes across as a kid trying to act like a man because he's in a man's relationship with pam smart, and i think he wants to stand up and prove to her that he's that guy. >> but finally, police get down to the deed itself in the interrogation room. >> what did you expect you were getting out of this? >> i was told that i'd get $500. >> did bill tell you where the 500 bucks was coming from? >> he said it was coming from pamela smart. >> do you know how much insurance money pam was su

he said this is the real problem but it's not just up to bill flynn who had the jurisdiction over the renewal plans and evelyn murphy who is the secretary of environmental affairs. tell him to fund the streets with state and federal money and that will make the numbers work better so the governorr appointd a committee of the three of us to work on the diplomacy with the point person at the time and in that process we didn't give away density, we imposed height limits and there had been a couple of suspicious origins and i said okay this is it they are going to burn a couple of buildings and come in and claim hardship. i put in a strict level they can take it down but they can't build any more than what is being built now. and in the urban renewal plan we put in those limits and the plan worked. what was the parking lot for what was then the playboy club with the four seasons club is respecting the height limit that was established. so the interaction of the different interests which the governor required having to meet once a week in the development cabinet so the labor issues and dev

but it's not just up to bill flynn, who had the jurisdiction over approving urban renewal plans and evelyn murphy secretary of the environmental affairs tulsa salvatore to fund. the streets with state and federal money in that will take make the numbers work better so the governor appointed a little committee of the three of us to work and do shuttle with steve forbes, who was at the the vra was the point person at the time. and out of that process emerged, the we didn't give away density. we imposed very strict height limits on the garden and the common and there had been a couple of fires of suspicious origin. and i said, oh, this is the racket. they're going to burn a couple of buildings in a come going to come in and claim hardship and what i put in a strict height limit until the -- have taken burn it down, but they can't build any more than what's there now. and in the urban renewal plan, we put in those height limits and the the plan worked what the transportation building which the supported another piece to that but what was the parking lot for the what was then the playboy club i

sent them back to main doj and they brought them this is how'd bill barr repelled lifelong prosecutors from the cases involving mike flynn thumb on the scale. talk about what this means this will happen day one and operationalize at doj. >> i think there's no question that what you've been talking about, which is that they're ready and they will not make the same mistakes as last time i remember people saying last time that you had sort of that lev lens but it's fortunately matched with incompetence. and so it took a long time for the trump administration to sort of understand the levers of power and what to do that's not what's going to happen now now, i think it's important to note that elections have consequences and the president and attorney general are entitled to have their policies so long as they're legal become, you know, what happens at the department of justice in terms of what kind of cases should be brought in general, what should be prioritized i think the substance is really the story here as well as the fact they're going to be ready and the substance is if you care about reproductive rights, if you care