exchange, the kind of rite of passage was to give this poor kid a bad order and send him to my uncle, bill henner, they would give him a live cattle and sent him. and they would watch the ensuring fire works that would go off when my uncle would browbeat the kid and tell him he was a moron and he didn't deserve to be here. the order desk would have a great bit of amusement around that. >> these are the kind of stories that it took me a while to understand what that meant. because there were different pits, where different things were traded. if you had an order for the live cattle, if someone took an order for the live cattle to the wrong pit, it was -- >> right. generally speaking, you know, they would say no, no, this is live cattle. you need to take it over there, young man. my uncle reacted a little bit more interestingly than that. in his defense, when he was not trading, he was a very generous man. he helped lots of people, you know, in the industry. and, you know, he had -- he wound up with four wonderful children that are all very good people as well. >> and i spoke to a woman that was a