bill? mr. hoaglandalice and i were on a conference yesterday and brought up something called the white hat bias, which has to do with analysis that comes from peer-reviewed articles. there may be bias in those articles because the editor has a certain bias. the point i make here is that we probably need to go outside for the discussion for hard evidence from other sources besides peer-reviewed academic articles for determination of what should be pursued in terms of our analyses. ms. loy: question in the second row. oh, sorry. >> my name is mike and i'm with the national organization of integrative physicians who are trained in prevention and wellness. and i guess my question is primarily for lisel, perhaps. i was here about nine or 10 months ago, and i believe there is another task force, and the staff director, and want to say is janet -- i'm not certain. my memory plays tricks sometimes. it is not wellness so much as memory retention for me. but that task force is an employer task force. there is a r

at the far end of this group is my boss, bill hoagland. bill is the senior vice president at bpc. he came here from cigna, where he was vice president of public policy. but most of his career was spent on the hill, where he was director of budget and appropriations for the office of the then senate majority leader bill frist. thank you all so much for being here. jeff, i'm going to start with you. we have talked about high-level framework, big picture models, and i want to go to the real world for a minute. more than probably any of us on the stage here, at least, you have the most experience with a number of the players on the ground who are really seeking to implement some of these experimental and new models of care that integrate clinics and communities. >> this is an exciting opportunity to see where prevention fits in the health care system but it is always important that we have a good conversation about how we value things and it isn't just about cost-saving but better health outcomes. to measure and prevention isn't just determined by how it would save health care costs.