it's under good leadership now with my successor, bill ivy, and it's on the right course. it's--it bills itself now as an investment in communities, and that's the right way to think of the endowment. because it's really for the public. art is for the public. the artists create it, but they don't create it in a vacuum. they need an audience of-- or a reader or a listener. and you think there's a growing recognition that art is for the public, that people are investing in that? i know it is, because if you go to art in a local level, the arts budgets are increasing. the mayors think the arts are fabulous for their communities. the state arts budgets are going up. the only people who are lagging behind, i'm sad to say, are our federal officials. are you finding that kind of highly volatile reactions are being stemmed now? yeah. they're definitely-- but not self-censorship going on? there's still provocative art? oh, the artists, you mean? right, yes. there is self-censorship in terms of what they apply to the endowment for. i see. because i wanted to make the agency bulletpro