obvious the new york times are not fans of each other when you read it first ari on his cue to bill keller and now we have this so andrew goldman of the new york times asked arianna he said you've been saying recently if the huffington post is not a lefty publication to which here's bonded actually i've been saying that for three years the tag line that we've used a lot is beyond left and right i'm sorry but just saying your web site goes beyond left and right doesn't make it true arianna have you looked acre site lately now the writer followed up with the next question and said it's as if you're trying to tell me that smurfs aren't blue to which i say good boy now are ya then responded by saying i'm just telling you that it is very clear that we have progressive views but to call everything we're doing lefty well it misses the whole point that american policy needs to be redefined beyond left and right it's completely obsolete you call it takes ok arianna just keep repeating the same lines and maybe somebody will actually believe you asked for me i'm not buying it you are lefties so is yo

bill keller has said that the times practices the journalism of fair indication that i would say that it practices the journalism of values projection. and that buys, there's no other word for it, has created a journalism at odds with its historic commission of rendering the news impartially without fear of fever. it's also greater journalism at odds with the liberal democratic fight is its long stood for. so even if you do support a more partisan times, and there are those who do believe news organizations should take up ideological codgers like they did in europe, britain in particular, but even if you do support a more partisan times and those self identified ideologically committed journalists in the room might do so, i think they're still cause for concern because the law of unintended consequences the liberal values, these ideologically committed progressives generally stand for, are often very ill served by the very paper that embodies them were said to have embodies them most ardently. john dewey, a great professor, educator, professor and philosopher, is credited with definin

. >> can i read a column that bill keller wrote last week in the "sunday times" magazine that gives a of the new world we entered. "the digital age changed the dynamics of disobedience. someone who wanted to cheat had to work at it. one tried for a year to make the pentagon papers public. there was a lot of time to have second thoughts or get caught. but now it is possible for a whistle-blower or a trader to act immediately and anonymously, click on a website, upload a file, go home, and wait." what do you think, michael, about the whole wikileaks business? has it changed journalism forever or an area that, you know, getting into computers is something that journalists should know more about and begin to cultivate? >> well, i think in terms of mr. keller's description of that, i don't actually think that's accurate in terms of what he did which was over a period of time. you know, think of lady gaga. it was the cds he popped in to down load the file at great risk to himself as to where he was in iraq. >> he says a world now in which this kind of thing can happen. >> i think in terms o

. >> yeah, can i read a comment from a column bill keller wrote last week in the sunday times magazinehat gives a sense of this new world that we've entered. it says the digital age has changed the dynamics of disobedience in at least one respect. it used to be that someone who wanted to cheat on his vow of secrecy had to work at it. daniel ellsberg tried for a year to make the pentagon papers public. there were a lot of time to have second thought or to get caught. it is now at least theoretically possible for a whistle blower or a trader to act almost immediately and anonymously. click on a website, load a file and go home and wait. what do you think, michael, about the whole wikileaks business. has it changed journalism forever or is it an area -- do you think, you know, getting into computers is something that journalists should know more about and begin to cultivate? >> well, i mean, i think in terms of mr. keller's description of that, i don't actually think that's accurate in terms of what bradley manning actually did which was over a period of time. speaking of lady gaga, it wa