bill keller. adam: he was our partner.had this idea in all of the conversation about rikers what was not properly understood was the life if you thought of it as a city, the life of the city was about. our operating idea was what does it smell like. so we went to bill keller and a former editor of the new york times and we created a team. that team went and did a series of intimate oral accounts of what life was like for the prisoners, the guards, librarians teachers. really looked at it as if it were its own urban environment. very intimate. and harrowing, as you would imagine, and with some interesting storytelling. online supplemented in all kinds of ways with storytelling you can do online. charlie: the obama history project. a conversation about where he stands. adam: what is fascinating, i looked at it last night they were responding -- it is amazing how fickle history is. they were responding that peace was in january they were responding to the events on the ground in january. any number of historian said what chan

but the rikers story is -- >> rose: bill keller, i think. we hads idea that in all the conversation about rikers what was not properly understood but the hyphof -- if you thought of rikers as a city what the life of the city was about, and actually our operating idea was what due it smell like. >> rose: yeah. and, so, we went to bill keller and to this woman oraller editor of the "new york times" who worked with criminal justice issues and we created a team, and that team went and did a series of really amazingly intimate oral accounts for what life was like for the prisoners, guard, teachers, and looked at it as if it were its own urban environment. very intimate and harrowing, as you would imagine and with very interesting storytelling. but also online, supplemented in all kind of ways with only the kind of storytelling -- >> rose: and someone like me likes the obama history project conversations with historians about where he stands. >> which was in january, what's fascinating about that project, i looked at it last night. >> rose: some h