on the other side, both gentlemen will stay with us. >>> we are back with eugene robinson and bill kristol. so bill, there's this member of congress named duncan hunter out in california, same as his father's name who was a member of congress known to the kids as the vaping congressman who famously vaped during a hearing. there he is. he's now been indicted, he and his wife have appearance tomorrow morning for misuse of campaign funds. he was the second member of congress 0 support donald trump, the first was chris collins of upstate new york. he of indictment fame. what's going on here? >> collins who kuck insider trading from the white house picnic from the white house lawn. >> yes. >> i don't know what's going on. what's going on is what we see. i do think in either a republican primary. 2020 against donald trump or maybe a republican open field if trump's no longer president, the market for a serious reformer who says you know what, i understand why some people went for trump. they wanted change but he unfortunately made it worse. we really need to fundamentally reform the ways of wash

there and it is amazing that for a long time he was vilified as a warmonger a bloody bill kristol all of by the left and then because they need a an assassin because they need someone with no moral or ethics at all the left to size to bring them up and say well here's a guy you know well sic him on here we know he's dangerous. fairly have no moral compass whatsoever now your latest blog post reads quote u.s. tech giants are too big to. full and now are running into serious trouble we have google being evil in china we've got facebook banning american anti-fascist activists and calling them russians ok what's going on is to work on wall street if the stuff what's going on sure and you know i've been to huge proponent of social media even though i haven't liked facebook for a long time i've been able to see that for the most part let's just take facebook and twitter they have been reasonably neutral i mean they've been getting worse over the last few years particularly after trump won but they have been platforms and people have across the but you know the sort of the you know the digit

ruth marcus and bill kristol, thank you both so much. >>> coming up, social media. the senate hears heightened warnings about russia's attempt to influence this year's election. that hearing today. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. only preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd. that's why i fight. because it's my vision. preservision. also, in a great-tasting chewable. >>> who else is still out there actively attacking us? are there other troll farms? >> we know the problem. we have bad actors putting out bad information. >> we impose sanctions on russia. they seem to have done no good when it comes to this kind of activity. >> the russians in this case and others see us as a cheap date. we are an easy target. >> lawmakers in both parties on the senate

you mentioned bill kristol there and it is amazing that for a long time he has vilified as a warmonger a bloody bill kristol all of by the left and then because they needa an assassin because they need someone with no moral or ethics at all the last decides to bring him up and say well here's a guy you know well sick him on you we know he's dangerous. is a fairly have no moral compass whatsoever now your latest blog post reads quote us tech giants are too big to. are full and now are running into serious trouble we have google being able in china we've got facebook banning american anti-fascist activist and calling them russians ok what's going on is to work out a loss if all the stuff what's going on sure and you know i've been a huge proponent of social media even though i haven't liked facebook for a long time i've been able to see that for the most part let's just take facebook and twitter they have been reasonably neutral i mean they've been getting worse over the last few years particularly after trump won but they have been platforms and people have across the but you know the s

you mentioned bill kristol there and it is amazing that for a long time he has vilified as a warmonger bloody bill kristol all by the left and then because they need a an assassin because they need someone with no moral or ethics at all the left decides to bring him up and say well here's a guy you know well sick him on you we know he's dangerous. have no comp moral compass whatsoever now your latest blog post reads quote us tech giants are too big to. powerful and now are running into serious trouble we have google being evil in china we've got facebook banning american anti-fascist activists and calling them russians ok what's going on is to work out a loss if all the stuff what's going on sure and you know i've been a huge proponent of social media even though i haven't liked facebook for a long time i've been able to see that for the most part let's just take facebook and twitter they have been reasonably neutral i mean they've been getting worse over the last few years particularly after trump won but they have been platforms and people have across the but you know the sort of the

. >>> joining me is joshua getner and bill kristol, with whom we were just talking. there's a piece, that as you mentioned, you're no fan of john brennan. how does that square with your view of what the president has done? >> it doesn't at all justify what the president has done. this was before the story broke. which he kept throughout the obama administration as a routine, even though he wrote pieces for "the weekly standard" criticizing president obama and so forth. it's been a strong history of bipartisanship here. it's part of it about intimidation, but i think part of it is an attempt to discredit -- part of the attack on the deep state. don't believe. what trump is telling people, especially his supporters, don't believe any of these intelligence people. >> they're all liars, all deep state. >> they're all just in the business of attacking. so when you see mike hayden or bob gates or leon panetta, so i very much disapprove of what trump has done. politically from his point of view, there's a method to his madness, i'm afraid. if the attack on the deep state co

bill kristol. he served as foreign policy adviser on mccain's 2008 presidential bid. is now editor of the "weekly standard." bill, on a personal level, how are you processing senator mccain's passing? . >> you know, it's funny, ana, we all expected it, of course, somehow it still is a real punch in the gut. i mean, such a huge figure. knew him some, i wasn't intimate, but was friendly to him and supporter, ally of his,s on many, many issues, it's just hard to believe he's not going to be there really. do i think the example remains. i really am encouraged in the way -- colonel mayurage maybe i right word. i take comfort in the last 24 hours. tributes to him and his character. what he did for, country, home, human liberty first. that's been a little bit not noticed. this is a man who the balkans in the '90s, led to intervene there to stop the slaughters of bosnians in serbia, to the middle east and then to russia. someone who stood up against dictators, who stood with dissidents all over the world. the great russian jewish immegray, what john mccain meant to him and ma

you heard it here. >> tucker: you're welcome on this show anytime. >> i'm not bill kristol, i'm not goinge gate. you never know what could happen. >> tucker: you are a wise man. great to see you, thanks for sitting in. you were great. >> the guest host at the end of last week, you should have got michael avenatti, he would have done a much better job. >> tucker: i don't know who that is. that's about it for us. every night at 8:00 the show that's the sworn enemy, and pomposity and groupthink. sean hannity right now. ten seconds later. >> sean: you don't know how to hit the post. have you ever done radio in your life? 16 seconds over. >> tucker: six seconds later. >> sean: good thing we actually follow each other so it doesn't mess up the reruns. >> tucker: by the way, i've given you many, many seconds over the years. i'm just taking a few back. >> sean: all right, tucker. good to see you. great show. welcome to "hannity." incredible breaking news night all over the place, the corrupt anti-trump fbi agent peter strzok has finally been fired, the damage is done. a politically motivated clin

bill kristol. >> he's a brawler. >> thank you.ppreciate it. >> too tough on trump, michael. >> here we go. >>> much more to come. thank you. as we hit the brake here. including a surprise letter boosting tensions with north korea, scrapping plans for mike pompeo's latest visit. >>> secretary of defense james mattis just talked about this. we'll get the sound to you right after the break. ou right after the break. with chantix. i tried cold turkey, i tried the patch. they didn't work for me. i didn't think anything was going to work for me until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. i needed that to quit. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin rea

bill kristol, maria teresa kumar, lahnee chen. >> this trial is important. trial. if there's a hung jury for some reason, which there could be one or two jurors for whatever reason, trump will declare a victory. i think at that point he could really be unleashed. this thing has gone on too long, it is a witch hunti, i'm firing them witch hunt. on the other hand, if manafort is convicted, then suddenly it's hard to say if the campaign chairman was convicted of serious crimes, that the whole thing a witch hunt and then manafort could flip after conviction if he doesn't like the idea of this real serious jail sentence. then you're really, with cohen flipping and manafort, you could be off to the races on trump tower and all that. the trial will be over in a couple weeks, right? >> soon. >> august will be interesting. >> we don't even know. >> i want to sort of steer things to the weird obstruction thing, the interview back and forth, but there's no way to kick off that conversation better than with your confusing mash of rudy giuliani. here it is. >> it's prett

all right, guys, bill kristol, you've run campaigns. if it looks like a campaign and walks like a campaign -- by the way, campaigns brand their opponents, don't they? the president illegally rigged witch hunt paid for by crooked hillary, totally corrupt and conflicted, the phony dossier. i think we get the point here. is that what you see here, it's just a campaign against mueller? >> totally. i've always thought the lawyers, as much as i love them all who sit around on msnbc and everywhere else, rudy is getting the law wrong here, does he understand this is not going to help the defense of the president. he probably can't be indicted while he's sitting president. it's entirely a political campaign. mueller is not running a political campaign. some of us have tried to help him a little by making the case for him but it's a one-sided campaign and that's why he's succeeded in eroding some of the support for mueller especially by republicans so far. on the other hand, there is a reality. at some point -- >> eventually the voters weigh in.

about you but when i picture a neo con slush fund i picture like dick cheney mitch mcconnell and bill kristol naked in a small bath tub filled with vomit of all their victims. i mean i know it's gross but it's probably less gross than what a neo con slush fund really is. so we use anything and usa id to destabilize countries and keep in mind there are consequences to destabilizing countries you know we indirectly killing a lot of people a lot of people and poor destitute they end up with their lives or a lot of people at least lose their high scores on their video games which is i mean i understand why nobody cares about an infant with cholera but twenty thousand points on level five call of duty when your player already has the advanced armor defense system you have to be yet inside to just shrug that off. by the way i've never played call of duty so i just made up a point system. in the nerd community that's like a war crime. yes to undermine the country's economy this can be done via sanctions like we are doing right now in venezuela and iran it's very important to not care at all if that

about you but when i picture a neo con slush fund i picture like dick cheney mitch mcconnell and bill kristol naked in a small bath tub filled with vomit of all their victims. i mean i know it's gross but it's probably less gross then what a neo con slush fund really is. how we use anything and usa id to destabilize countries and keep in mind there are consequences to destabilizing countries you know we indirectly killing a lot of people a lot of people and poor destitute they end up with their lives or a lot of people at least lose their high scores on their video games which is i mean i understand why nobody cares about an infant with cholera but twenty thousand points on level five call of duty when your player already has the advanced armor defense system and three get inside to just shrug that off. by the way i've never played call of duty so i just made up a point system. in the nerd community that's like a war crime. yes to undermine the country's economy this can be done via sanctions like we are doing right now in venezuela and iran it's very important to not care at all if that econ

about you but when i picture a neo con slush fund i picture like dick cheney mitch mcconnell and bill kristol naked in a small bath tub. filled with the vomit of all their victims yeah i mean i know it's gross but it's probably less gross than what a neo con slush fund really is. so we use anything and usa id to destabilize countries and keep in mind there are consequences to destabilizing countries you know we indirectly killing a lot of people a lot of people and poor destitute they end up with their lives or a lot of people at least lose their high scores on their video games which is i mean i understand why nobody cares about an infant with cholera but twenty thousand points on level five call of duty when you're a player already has the advanced armor defense system you have to be dead inside to just shrug that off. by the way i've never played call of duty so i just made up a point system. in the nerd community that's like a war crime. yes to undermine the country's economy this can be done via sanctions like we are doing right now in venezuela and iran it's very important to not care a

>> joining us, cnn political commentator scott jennings, weekly standard editor bill kristol. it's almost so true, it's not funny, what we just played from bill maher. >> it's not funny, it's hard to separate the forrest frest from trees. there was an attempt at collusion, it's pretty clear the president tried to collude with the russians to get research, to get information about their opponent. they didn't seem too concerned that that information was legally obtained or illegally obtained. we don't know how successful that collusion was or what happened afterwards. trump insists on always saying it went nowhere. they did a pretty good job at selling this, that this meeting was ineffectual and feckless, but of course we don't know that. we know there was an attempt at a coverup because we know that the president was personally involved in drafting a statement that was false about that meeting and he's tried in other ways, asked comey not to pursue michael flynn and so forth. we know there was collusion and attempt at coverup. watergate was not a successfu y burglary, it was a f

from arizona, and here with me in stud, historian michael beschloss and "the weekly standard"'s bill kristolered john mccain, you just came back from arizona. i can't even imagine the emotions, seeing him lie in state in the rotunda, as the speaker said, under the frescos, in such an august place, in that gathering today. >> reporter: it is a poignant day, a personal day for the mccain family, colleagues and friends, and by extension, the many who not have met him in life but who will pass by to pay their respects today, the members of the public who will come through. i am told that senator lindsey graham escorted cindy mccain to the senate floor, typically reserved only for senators, but to allow her to see senator mccain's desk, which has been draped in black, which is the tradition of the senate, with beautiful flowers placed on his desk, and then the mccain family, seven children, five grandchildren, his brother and sister joe and sandy, john mccain was a middle child, something he mentioned to me from time to time. and of course his mother, spending his time with the mccain senate staf

joining me now, bill kristol, founder and editor at large of "the weekly standard." look, you know, kelly o'donnell pointed out earlier, mccain had a lot of political enemies. he has not always been a hero to everybody. and there are a lot of people who say, yeah, sometimes he did see which way the wind was blowing or do things that were politically expedient. but taken as a whole, this man has been a man who exemplifies service to one's country in all of the traditional ways one thinks of service to their country. >> yeah, no, absolutely. i've been a political ally of his, but it's really beyond politics today. he knew this was coming, obviously, for the last year, but it's still a blow when you hear the statement and think about its implications. i was think about it and watching the show, talking about donald trump, "the national inquirer," michael cohen, and i thought, in a way it's a shame to have to pivot from that to discuss a man of character and courage and honor and someone i admire so much but in a way it's not so bad to have the contrast. you take a look a

bill kristol, these are the people who are now joining with the establishment ring of the democratic to defend this very militaristic, internationalized institutional assertion of military force. they see president trump in a lot of cases, rightly, as well as people on the left, as opposing. this predates for trump. a lot of neocons were preparing to support hillary clinton before trump became a candidate because they found her brand of hawkish and nice, she criticized -- hockingishness, and she criticized obama for being insufficiently belligerent, quite attractive. this shift is profound. >> laura: he's doing it in other ways, too. trump has blown up a lot of old alliances. the koch brothers, you are seeing that split. richard trumka, i think it is good to make this up. all these old alliances, theye didn't deliver a good resultsll come on foreign policy, a mixed results, vis-a-vis united states versus china on the economy, and trump is like, well, i'll work with anybody who will work with me, and i guess his enemies are saying the same thing. >> absolutely. the view of trump, for

i want to bring in now bill kristol of the weekly standard, editor at large and bakari sellers and alice. here we go again. jesus, jesus. okay. so what do you think, bakari? i mean, good evening, everyone. was it a racist comment or figure of speech? >> actually, my largest concern, he is using a bullhorn. people don't use dog whistles. it's the part of trump. it's red meat for the base. my larger issue was the fact before then, and it's something we oftentimes have to explain, and it's become exhausting when he says that andrew gillum is articulate. it's something that joe biden said about barack obama. it's a faux pas made that doesn't have any party. the reason that that is offensive to many is because it does not take some superhero power or special talent for a black person to speak properly. i'm hard-pressed to know many times when you're walking down the street and you say boy that white kid was articulate. that just doesn't happen. i think that many times we have these subconscious implicit biases and desantis is proof positive of that. we were talking off air, though, about the

we're joined by bill kristol, scott bolden and kevin maddon. put it in perspective for me. he's the man who knows where all the financial bodies are buried. how big is this? >> oh, actually, i think this is legitimately huge. i know a lot of times we say that things ra really big deal. i think this is -- this is really a big deal precisely because this is somebody in the trump organization who as you said knows where all the bodies are buried and knows much more than just about this issue. right? so this is just -- you know, i'm operating under the assumption this isn't the only deal that donald trump was involved in that was probably illegal. and then in this case, you know, this definitely was illegal. i think you are honing in on the core of where donald trump was operating with michael cohen and now this latest news. >> looking at it strictly from a legal perspective, scott, though, talking simply about michael cohen in this case, the fact that there is immunity granted cfo of the trump administration and david pecker of american media, does it tell you it's limited to

if i were, you know, bill kristol and i was editing a conservative magazine, i would have to have a real thought out position on every public policy issue facing the country. i'm not a magazine editor. i'm a book editor, which means i'm an ecumenical person, and i have to be prepared to publish people on all sides of every question, and it's just as well for me to maintain a posture of open mindedness, willingness to be persuaded, and really just a commitment, if you will, to serious argument from whatever quarter it comes. however, yes, i'm a conservative in significant ways, and i accept it as a description, as a label. the thing is, that what it means to be a conservative is constantly changing. one of the things that i've learned in my 30 years as a book editor, that first of all, there's a great deal of variety within the conservative world. most people who are not in that world don't recognize that. but, you know, there are many different ways to be conservative, and, you know, in a philosophical sense, all americans are liberal, because our country was founded as part of the liber

from michigan and secretary of energy and the chief of staff of the vice president's office was bill kristol. they hired me and it was as a speechwriter. and as spence abraham told me, well, the vice president never really had a speechwriter like the one we're hiring. that is someone to work on political speeches and things other than major addresses. he had a guy on the staff who was a foreign policy expert who did these major foreign policy speeches, but they needed someone to do everything else. vice president quayle had never really had someone full-time doing that. he had just done his own thing. he had been a senator prior to being elected vice president, of course. this is the mid-term elections in 1990 and they said we'll see how it works out. i was hired in august. if this works out we'll keep you after the election but it might not. this is just kind of a, we'll see if we need you. and i thought, well, the worst possible scenario is that i work for two and a half months on the white house staff, but the best scenario is they hired me for two months and forgot about the two months a

michigan and then secretary of energy and the chief of staff in the vice president's office was bill kristol and they hired me as a speech writer and spencer abraham told me well, the vice president has never had a speech writer like the one we're hiring that is someone to work on political speeches and just things other than major addresses. he had a guy on the staff who was a foreign policy expert but they needed someone to do everything else and vice president quayle had never really had someone full time doing that. he did his own thing. he'd been a senator prior to being elected vice president. this was the midterm elections of 1990 and they said we'll see how it works out. if this works out we'll keep you after the election but let's see if we feed you and i thought well, the worst possible scenario is that i work for two and a half months on white house staff but the best scenario they hire med for two months and forgot about it and finally i mentioned to spencer abraham i said twhunt a probationary job? they said you're fine. that's how i got into it i'm making a serious point about

the bill kristols of the world. the george wills of the world. senator jeff flake. thinks it all makes sense. >> they are irrelevant. what we're doing in this country now is very troublesome to me. this attempt to sabotage this president. this coup that is taking place and make no mistake it is. the democrats want the president out by hook or by crook. i see this nation like this right now. i see the status progressives who are upset. they didn't control the left next election. they thought they would get four more years of obama through hillary and thought they would control the executive branch for the next 30 or 40 years and run the tables with their agenda and they failed. and they have been resistant ever since. they have been obstructing ever since. and if you don't see that as a conservative, then you are blind. and if you don't see many of the good things this president is doing as a conservative, you are also blind. brian: mark levin i don't think he looked at that stage and said i want donald trump as a huge impactful conservative voice he, sean and rush j