, the host of hbo's "realtime with bill maher." joan and bill both took part in the kennedy center honors of george carlin. bill, we've been talking about, why do you think joan is not -- why not when they talk about great comics, why don't they list her? >> who's they? who are you -- >> larry: i don't know who they are, but she's not invited to parties, she's not on -- >> i'm not on the radar. >> larry: when people name a great comic, they don't name joan rivers, but she's a great comic. >> well, you know what, first of all, don't go by they. we've all had our slights from they. i could read chapter and verse -- i could do an hour show on that with you, larry. they don't know what they're talking about. joan rivers is, you know, ask any comic. it's like, who votes for the all-star team? it's the fans, they get it wrong, but the players, when they get it right, they know. ask the comics. joan rivers is one of the great comics. i love joan rivers. i don't agree with what she said about getting the jews out of palestine, but i don't t