and then bill mckibben. the day after the election bill hit the road with the "dodo the math tour. finally filmmaker ken burns he's back on the show with his perspective on that other manmade disaster, the 1930s dust bowl. but first up richard muller joined by his daughter elizabeth. together they founded best, the berkeley earth surface. they have shocking facts about the impact global warming is, and how we can mitigate the carbon output of other countries most notably china. it's great to have you on the show. you made the case, but at the end of the day the real challenge is staring us right in the face, china india and the developing nations. unless we dramatically encourage a shift in the way they consume energy, our individual efforts aren't necessarily go to aggregate into anything significant, is that fair? >> absolutely. china has already put out twice as many gasses as the u.s. in 2012. while our emissions are going down, china is growing at 10% of the year. if all of this was to cease to exist, china would make up for that in three and a half years. >> it doesn't matter

that are divided by physical distance so this happened in real time and we brought up people like bill mckibben and bob paul and john ridd in brian douglas dino and a whole number of intellectual activists and organizers in cities throughout the united states into britain does the net effect of this does it bring about a a network of effect in terms of aggregating knowledge and information that's greater than the sum of the speakers or is it just a linear kind of lecture that people are getting as they would get in an ordinary classroom so in other words you've got this network of fact and we see now in the modern economy the network in fact happening on peer to peer networks in another new ways of organizing the economy is there any attempt to organize that type of extra now any within that network to take it to another level or is it just basically a series of lectures no no we really have to go beyond the lecture for matter what area called the bacon theory of knowledge for people like me knowledge and people. it's part of the idea is to create infrastructure so for example if you developed

butso it's just crazy, somehow, i never made that sink in, and is now -- then bill mckibben.you know, i've talked with him frequently and he's a much better writer, and he wrote this article for rolling stone. he said the same thing but he said it in a much better way, and suddenly, he said, the reserves that these oil companies are counting on their books and their stock prices are based on this, those are five times greater than what we can burn and still hope to have a livable planet. then, suddenly, some people, started to realize, we've got a problem. >> and you, at one point, said that, you think some of those oil executives or energy executives are -- >> they could be -- >> crimes against humanity. >> oh, oh let's go the other side. they are the -- i sometimes say, the captains of industry are the ones who can really help us solve this. and the -- they're not -- these are smart people. you don't get to be the top dog in these organizations unless you're pretty smart and pretty capable. and, you know, i've met with jim rogers of -- >> duke energy? >> duke energy, and th