today, bill mckibben. hold your years for this part, i assume it makes you cringe but we got to do it. bill's book "falter: has the human game begun to play itself out?" that we are discussing, and began to play itself out, please the story of increasingly rising stakes like climate change, genetic engineering or ai on wrong and how they threaten the collective. in some ways, a companion to his first book the end of nature which was the world's first book on climate change ever. he wrote it in 1989 when he was in his 20s. a prolific and ongoing contribution to that, ago to voice on climate change, it is important, publishing with problems in vermont. he environment at the grassroots organization and committed his life to putting the words he reads and writes into action. beyond this powerhouse, he's a human dad, dog dad, sagittarius based on wikipedia, athlete, long story short, we are in good hands for our conversation, a sharper understanding of how big what we are up against is but also how powerful we a

joining now, bill mckibben, founding expert of climate foundation 350.org, thank you so much for your day for once we have good news to talk about. >> let's stalk about it. exxon and shell and chevron all hit today with different judgments and votes that will force them all to change force when it comes to climate. all of the news together feels like a very big piece of news but how confident are you that this will make a difference? >> well, i don't think any of them by themselves will make a huge difference right away. with their size a decade of battering by activists is finally taking a real toll. only a week ago the international energy agencies said time has come for fossil fuel to stop expanding. this is not radical outfit. the international agency was set up by henry kissinger in 1974 to be the kind of club for oil consumers and even they've realized the mathematic of climate change is inexorable and there's no way to deal with the problem we face unless we take actions like the one this dutch corporate outlined today. they said shell has to cut emissions 45% by 2030, exactly

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