its narrator is the legendary broadcaster bill moyers. hen we come back, we will air more of the documentary and then speak to bill himself. ♪ [music break] >> "we are not for sale" by django haskins. "state of conflict: north carolina." that is the name of a new documentary from bill moyers. we returned to report on the political crisis in north carolina. pope, thelooks at art man described as the mastermind of the right-wing takeover. the moral monday protesters, what they are fighting is not new. what is new is just about everything on the right wing wish list is at last becoming reality. just as our hope planned. >> what happened to north carolina? his name is art pope. and i ame is art pope a job creator. man presents himself as a lucky member of the governors running the numbers like an earnest accountant. are you the rainmaker of the north carolina republican party? >> know, the voters are the rainmakers. >> he has been called everything from kingmaker to king. he is very rich and have shelled out so many millions of dollars for con

achieving health care reform, i remember one of your mentors bill moyers used to say, he talked abouthen medicare passed in 1965, that was more embattled than this. johnson had the sense if he got it in a couple of years, everybody would assume it would be that way forever. in terms of domestic policy, the health-care bill is the most important thing and avoiding the carnage of the great recession. he has brought troops back from these two wars that have been going on for almost a decade and any of the things in the texture in american life for improving. i think that is big case to make. >> the president said he wanted make a difference when he was first running in 2007, he wanted to make a difference. he did not want to be another photograph, another portrait on the wall. what does he have to do to become that kind of president? >> i think it is the right impulse, first of all. you do not want to be a president dreaming of becoming millard fillmore. that is what he was talking about. when you have that power, you want to use it to make lives better for people. i think the health-car

, and a cheeflg healthcare reform as embattled as it is right now, i member one of your mentor, bill moyers to say, he talked about how when medicare passed in 1965 that was more e embattled than this and johnson had a sense if he got that in and stayed policy for a couple of years then everybody would assume it would be that way forever. in terms of domestic policy the healthcare bill is the most important thing, of course avoiding the carnage of the great recession. he has brought troops back from these two wars that have been going on for nearly a decked and as he argued many things in the texture of american life are improving so i think that is the case he would make. >> rose: doris, i think the president said to you he wants to make a difference way back when he was first running in 2007 they he wanted to be a president that made a difference, he didn't want to be another photograph on the wall, another portrait on the wall. what does he have to do to have become that kind of president? >> well, i think it is theight impulse, first of all, you don't want a president to be dreaming of

wanted to make it a great system, to their credit this 1967 -- and we have this in the book with bill moyer's conversations with lbj -- okay, they can't do the stuff that's commercially successful, let's have it do the edgy stuff, bring in people who are cut out of the picture, minority groups, young people, artists, dissidents. let it be sort of the provocative agent of our culture. but, you know, they tried that for about a week, and then people in congress said what are you doing these exposes on banks' red lining practice -- >> yeah, the selling of the pentagon. >> and it was enough of that. we just want a tepid, lame broadcasting that doesn't take viewers away and also doesn't offend us and do anything that's too racy. so you got dinosaur shows and classical, you know, animal shows. >> and yanni at the acropolis. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> high-end stuff too. >> somehow c-span ended up as a part of the system. maybe we should give a nod to that. >> and that was a victory, one of the concessions they made to have their cable monopoly, and you pay for c-span accordingly was we