joshua: most people know who bill moyers is. moyers was a young minister, -- was a young ordained baptist minister. he grew up in texas, a lot of the guys who worked for johnson were from texas. from very modest upbringings. he ended up, he did not take a pulpit. he was a brilliant student and very sincere and earnest theologian. he ended up working for johnson and johnson's media business, a television station that lady bird owned. he worked his way up as an intern. jack was just a friend. jack valente was the youngest advertising and pr guy from texas who johnson knew. he ended up marrying one of johnson's secretaries. he is a fascinating character. he was advancing a leg of the of 1963ip in november and lbj and invited him him from houston to dallas. he ended up being 10 cars back in the motorcade monday president was assassinated. johnson put him on air force one immediately. and brought him back to d.c. if you look at the iconic photos of the swearing-in, you will see plenty crouched in the back of the airliner. he was later

there was bill moyers, and richard goodwin, some extent mcfearson and calfano who were smart enough to accommodate the moyers faction, on the other side there were people like horace busby, to some extent jack valenti, watson, they didn't share the same politics. watson was much more conservative than they were. but there was a great tension between the two factions. particularly between i would say busby and moyers. >> you mentioned bill moyers. here's some video of bill moyers alking back in 1990. >> it seemed to me as i looked back, in every respect except one he had a better eye for the horizon than anyone else around, except on vietnam. that's a fwaff, a blank, an enigma that again i haven't figured out yet. >> so bill moyers. you suggest in the book that he wouldn't talk to you. >> i reached out, he didn't -- >> but he hasn't written about these years much. >> no. >> and that's unusual to see him on television talking about hit. >> he's done it occasionally. he did sit for some interviews with robert da elect a few years ago. there's some transcripts of sim missouri posea he's sp

picks and it is quite extraordinary as mentioned in the introduction we can talk a few of them like bill moyer and those were well known to us at hunter but tell a about his age. >> from the vantage point jack valenti november 1963 in advertising pr gay mom -- pr guy and from the young businessman became friendly with the senate secretary and he was tasked as a volunteer with the leg of the trip that president kennedy was taking in houston and johnson said get on air force two and fly to dallas and come with me afterwards so he did. he was ten cars back in the motorcade through a whirlwind of circumstances that he wanted on air force one but he wasn't sure why but on the four left corner you can see a very confused looking valenti had no idea why he was there. he went on staff having no experience that johnson really respected his opinion became the appointment secretary and a great gatekeeper not on who got to see him but the information that he would look through the memorandum of staff and would decide what should go before the president and he wears a champion of the oddball idea with thos

bill moyer, joe california who is well known to us at hunter. tell us a little bit about these key aids. >> the vantage point of jack valencia, he was 46 years old in november 1963, he was an advertising pr guy from houston who knew johnson socially. they met at an event first businessman, he became friendly with the johnsons, merida senate secretary and he had been tasked as a volunteer. the leg of the trip president kennedy and vp johnson were taking in houston. that went very well. johnson said why don't you get on air force 2, fly to dallas and come to austin, the last leg of the trip and he was 10 cars back in the motorcade and through a whirlwind of circumstances was told by the secret service agents that johnson wanted him on air force one. he wasn't sure why. if you look at the iconic photo of johnson taking the oath of office on the far left corner against the wall of the plane you will see a very confused looking jack valenti, no idea why i was there. he went on staff, having no political experience but johnson really respected his int

joshua: most people know who bill moyers is. yers was a young minister, grew up in texas, a lot of the guys who worked for johnson were from texas. he ended up being -- he did not take a pulpit. he was a brilliant student. a very earnest the lotion. -- theologian. he ended up working for johnson at the television station and later on his senate staff. he worked his way up. brian: what i checked plenty? -- what about jack? joshua: he was a young pr guy johnson knew. he ended up marrying one of johnson's secretaries. the reason he was there is just happenstance. lbj invited him from houston to dallas. he happened to be five cars back in the motorcade, 10 cars back when the president was assassinated. johnson put him on air force one immediately. you look at the iconic photo taken of the swearing in on board air force one, you see him crushed in the back against the wall of the airliner. he would later say he had no idea why he was there, but he ended up becoming a close aide. brian: who entreat you the most? joshua: i found harry m

brian: what is the thing you learned as a white house fellow working around, you said bill moyers.ho else? tom: john gardner. brian: what did you learn from being around them? about the presidency that has never changed? tom: if you get to work close at hand with members of congress or the president, you learn about complexity. that very rarely can you have sweeping change. most change is incremental. most change is getting part of something done, and compromise, which is a dirty word to many people, is critically important. you need to get people together with different points of view and try to work something out. now in this country, we are facing the issue of gun registration and background checks and regulation. we believe in a strong second amendment but we also believe in safe schools. people have to come together and work on these things. brian: you have a quote you use in the book by alan drury. advising -- advise and consent. talking about people that come to washington, they stay 50 years, they may love, marry, settle down, build homes, raise families and die beside the