the bill murray amendment. you kind of laugh at the bill murray amendment. >> john: two points there. first you're a financial analyst. your one job is to understand stuff like this arch explain it to us. that's like a pilot coming on over the p.a. saying, oh, there are so many buttons up there. how do you fly this thing? [ cheers and applause ] too many buttons. who designed this? and, two, if the guy who does understand it used to be a comedian, that makes you look bad, not him. ( applause ) fortunately there is one place where banking regulation has worked. jason jones has more. >> the financial crash of 2008 brought a new focus on the behavior of wall street. but what happened to the regulations that were promised in its wake? >> the largest financial institution has been doing everything they can to make sure that financial regulations don't get put in place. >> that's exactly the way it should be. according to champions of the free market, men like hedge fund manager john tobacco. >> we don't need these s

. >> another one bill murray or will farrell. >> and another one no question, al franken. sorry senator al franken. >> chris rock wasn't on the show for that long. >> franken, it depends on how you judge success. >> bill murray, sadler and murphy. thank you, eric. "morning joe" starts right now.

bill murray is the weekend that big guy. gilda is going to play the voice. in dress rehearsal, the horse was coming back. it was the widow, so we put a black veil and little hat on the horse. the horse was let in. bill said, did he suffer much. no-oo-oo, he went quietly-y-y. something happened with this horse between the time of dress rehearsal and when he saw the red light in knew he was on television. because -- did he suffer much? the horse to started going in circles. flipped out. we had no script. gilda going, oooh, so upset. the horses leaves the studio, goes down a corridor at nbc. lorne says to the cameramen, follow that horse. gilda says, i am is so upset, i am going to throw myself out a window. it was all good. you make adjustments and move forward. whew. [laughter] [applause] >> who knew 37 years later you would be in this situation. >> it was all building to this moment. >> a nice segue. >> i had to bring it back. >> given that, well -- will there be a "lunatics 2"? >> absolutely not. yes, i do not even care if we have a book. it is like going o

who's bill murray? yes. who's your caddie? $400.

. >> and then, there's bill murray in "high park on the hudson". >> so nice of you to come.e for not getting up. >> those movies were some of the only tools that helped us better picture what life was like for the 30 second president. leader of the free world, running the country from a wheelchair. i remember the first time i went to his library and house to see what he had to deal with. i was shocked because we didn't have to deal with it. it was a mystery until now. indiana college professor ray stumbled upon this 35 millimeter film at national archives, an incredibly rare find. this is fdr. you see the president being wheeled down a ramp to a visit at uss baltimore in july of 1944. such a brief window into his life, but one that really didn't exist until now. the question is, did presidents have too much privacy then or do they not get enough now? let us know what you think. let us know what you think. ac 360 starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> we begin with the zimmerman trial, the trial judge pushing both sides hard, the defense rested today. the prose

he's just -- he's, like, you know, he's, like, the bill murray "meatballs," walter matthau "bad news shot an actual water park, and there were real people there. >> jimmy: i was going to say, did you shut it down? no. >> no, they were -- they were real good. they were looking in the lens, and they were -- you know, the sounds. >> jimmy: yeah, because it's so much money to lose. you can't just shut down the water park. >> no, that's right. that's right. and in fact, we got in trouble once because i was on a microphone in one of the scenes and some of my adlibs got a little rated "r." and it was, you know -- >> jimmy: you're going across the whole park. >> across the whole park. we -- it was early, so we thought it was closed -- or, you know we thought it was closed. and then this woman came -- one of the heads of the park -- and she was not happy. >> jimmy: shut it down. yeah. >> yeah. >> jimmy: do you remember what you said? >> i said something about -- you know, sexually transmitted diseases or something. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: oh my god. >> it was not -- not good. >> jimmy: you bri

where is bill murray when we need him?, i should say i have yet to congratulate anyone with a british accent on the new baby. so congratulations. i do think this child will see the throne long before the republicans stop acting nutty. i mean, they're going to do this all over again, play chicken again. be irresponsible again. i mean, i guess they're trying to get the congressional approval ratings into negative numbers because they're only a few digits from that. they seem to be boasting these days, as well that the key to being a republican is hating on washington and convincing people that washington doesn't work and we've talked about this in the past. that's because they are like the joker. chaos is their friend. they're against using the government to help people with the economy and health care. if they can bash it apart, they can say see, president obama can't achieve anything. it's a two-fer for them. that's a strategy they're going to stick with till maybe king whatever his name reaches the throne. >> yes. we have

. >> another one bill murray or will farrell. >> and another one no question, al franken. i'm sorry senator al franken. >> chris rock wasn't on the show for that long. >> franken, it depends on how you judge success. >> bill murray, sadler and murphy. thank you, eric. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> new york, new york the city that never sleeps just got one more thing to keep it up at night. because yesterday the thinkable happened. >> two years after a tawdry sexting scandal chased him from congress anthony weiner is begging for forgiveness again. he continued to send lewd messages and photos to one woman after he was forced to resign from congress. >> even after the sexting scandal, turns out he learned nothing. has this man never heard of snapchat? >>> he has been told. by us. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's thursday, july 25, 2013. a lot to get to today including tragedies, another high-profile train accident takes 77 lives and closer to home iowa congressman stands by his comments comparing immigrants to drug mules despite from being under attack.

bill. senator murray and collins have done good work on this. we hope to wrap this bill up in the next 24 hours. we hope to vote in relation to the portman amendment this morning sometime. we also expect to consider the student loan legislation today. mr. president, we have, under the orders that have been entered here, we have the rights -- the ability to vote on the student loan bill, which is so important. there are several hours of debate -- four hours plus other time on various amendments. so i would think members should consider our having the ability to vote on this at about 4:00 this afternoon or thereabouts. we could have a series of votes. we also have other nominations that are subject to votes, so we should have a number of votes today. i hope that in fact is the case. i admire and appreciate the work, as i've already mentioned, done on this aeption pros bill - appropriations bill. i hope we can wrap it up soon. it is hard to believe that 15 years ago, as the presiding officer knows, presiding officer jacob chestnut and john gibson we

good work and being so excited about doing the appropriations bills and longtime member of the appropriations committee, chairwoman, patty murray chair of the subcommittee that will be work for the next few days. i appreciate their diligence, and bipartisan work on this measure. transportation, housing appropriations bill has always been a bipartisan bill. mr. president, as we speak, we have 70,000 bridges in this country in need of major repairs. we have bridges in america today where school buses unload their children before going over the bridge. we have bridges that are in need of extensive repair and some that need to be replaused completely -- replaced completely. one of every five miles of american roads are not up to safety standards, so it's easy to see why this bipartisan effort to upgreat america's crumbling -- upgrade amecrumblio important. our deficient roads, bridges, railways, runways are a drag on our economy. but for this crisis, it's also an opportunity, an opportunity to create jobs by rebuilding america, which really needs replenishing and restoring and rebuilding. this bill will make traveling safer, more e

. >> do we need bill murray here. dogs and cats living together? >> i was there until about 10:00. >> what happened? tell us about the story. >> senators who went into the old senate chamber which is so rare and to have senators of both parties meeting together, really rare. the old senate chamber so old there were only 64 seats, there weren't 100. how close were you snuggled with others. what i was struck by in part coming out of that meeting, this had to do with the changing of the rules and an airing out of some strong feelings on both sides, i was encouraged by seeing members of both parties talking to each other coming out of that meeting which we often don't see. >> that meeting, of course, was for the changing of the rules and i guess it was out of this meeting perhaps, the news breaking overnight, that rand paul and ted cruz said they were going to join forces with kirsten gillibrand. >> on the military sexual assaults. >> yes. talking to some of her aides last night they were very encouraged by that because they believe that if you see rep

he's playing for a team that bill murray actually owns. he was still happy to be back after his second hip surgery. >>> coming up on the radio show, colonel allen west, gretchen will join us. hemmer and mccallum and others will talk about the hypocrisy between alec baldwin getting a pass for tweeting out questionable terms as opposed to a famous chef not getting any tolerance. >> clayton: we'll try to find out why in the photo you're wearing a seth scope. >> brian: i am a -- stethoscope. >> gretchen: those are old head phones. you don't use them anymore. >> clayton: you ask all your guests to cough. >> gretchen: it could be different for men and women. fourth of july you'll see hundreds if not thousands of american flags. this morning we're showing you the world's largest one. maria molina out in hoboken, new jersey. hi. >> good morning. you're absolutely right. we're actually with the world's largest free flying american flag. this one is in the form of a hot air balloon. if you look behind me, they've already filled it up with some regul

bill to committee. so that we can proceed to go forward. so senator murray and i will be here on monday ready and open for business. we'll start sequencing amendments. and i hope that members on both sides of the aisle will approach this bill in a cooperative spirit with respect to -- for the rights of senators to offer their amendments and get votes and that we won't see members drawing lines in the sand or deciding that they're going to block action going forward, because i think this vote -- this bill, rather, could be a model of how we should operate. thank you, mr. president. i thank the senator from illinois. mr. durbin: mr. president, i ask consent that the important announcement from senators murray and collins be placed in a separate part of the record. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. durbin: mr. president, returning to the issue of immigration -- and i was happy to be interrupted because news of progress in the senate is always worth an interruption -- but i will tell you that we have had a history of debating immigration in congress,

bill. senator murray will continue to work through the amendments with susan collins, the ranking member from maine. we hope to vote on confirmation of the west nomination today to be associate attorney general. senators will be notified when votes are scheduled. mr. president, about 80 years ago when president franklin roosevelt first proposed social security as an insurance against poverty in oldagers the idea was controversial. it was new, never been done before, nothing like it. but in 1935, 97 republicans joined democrats in congress to create one of the most successful social programs in history, if not "the most" successful social program in our country and the history of the world. two decades later, president dwight eisenhower proposed the nation's first interstate highway system. why did dwight eisenhower do this? as a young major in the army, he was directed to bring a convoy of troops and equipment across the country, and he determined at that time something had to be done. the roads were nonexistent and those that existed were not in very good shape. so when he became president,

so, for example, one bill that senator murray would assure that every victim would have a victim's advocate. we included that in our markup, straight to the base bill. there are a number of reforms we can look at and can summarize them for you. there are a dozen strong reforms that will help victims and also accountability in terms of what better punishments and recordkeeping. if someone doesn't report, we still have a record of the crime being committed. there are a lot of reforms. >> that's a very important question and it speaks to the need for a trained, experienced prosecutor. i was a federal prosecutor. i served as state attorney general. ultimately, the prosecutor can insist on standards and excellence in investigations. he is ultimately in charge. he is the one who has to present the case to a jury and make the case. so this proposal is integral to the entire justice system. and i might just go ba back to the question how can people who normally disagree come together on this issue. criminal justice has never been a partisan issue under any administration at any time. it units all o

and one bill that senator patty murray was the lead sponsor is is every victim will have a victims advocate. we included that in the bill. so there's a number of reforms i urge you look at we can summarize them for you. probably a dozen really strong reforms that will help victims and help the process better. also accountability in terms of the punishment and whether you're sent out of the military if cop viced, better record-keeping so we can find resid -- row -- repeat offenders. >> i think that's a very important question. and it speaks to the need for a trained experienced prosecutor. i was a federal prosecutor. i served as state attorney general. ultimately the prosecutor can insist on standards and excellence in investigations. he is ultimately in charge. he is the one who has to present the case to a jury. and make the case. so, this proposal is integral to the entire justice system, and i might just go back to the question, how can people who normally disagree come together on this issue? criminal justice has never been a partisan issue. under any administration. at any time. it uni

congress also faces a september 30 deadline to approve new spending bills, or risk a government shutdown. washington state's patty murray said the president also warned republicans must keep budget issues separate from the looming debt limit legislation. >> he made it very clear that he was not going to negotiate over the debt ceiling-- we have got to stop lurching from crisis to crisis, in his words and in our words-- and that we are going to >> holman: lawmakers now are making ready to leave for their five-week summer recess. for his part, mr. obama will continue his push on economic policy, next tuesday, with a speech on homeownership in phoenix. later, house republican leaders withdrew a bill that would make sweeping cuts in transportation, housing and community development funding for the coming fiscal year. conservatives had pushed the measure to meet lower spending levels spelled out in the house republicans' budget outline. in iraq, a wave of drive-by shootings and bombings across the country has killed at least 26 people. several blasts targeted shi-ite and sunni mosques overnight in baghdad. that followed bomb

one bill that senator patty murray and kelly i ought worry beads bonkers on were victim advocates. we included that in the markup and unanimously supported it. there are a number of reports i urge you to look at. we can summarize them for you. there are a dozen really strong reforms that will help victims and help this process better, also accountability in terms of what kind of punishment. report, wedoes not still have a record of the crime being committed. i think that is -- >> i think that is an important question and speaks to the need of a trained prosecutor. i was a federal prosecutor, i served as state attorney general. ultimately the prosecutor can insist on standards and excellence in investigations. he is ultimately in charge. he is the one who has to present the case to a jury and make the case. integral to the entire justice system. i may just go back to the question of how can people who normally disagree count together on this issue? never been a bipartisan issue under any administration at any time. justice, and particularly criminal justice, it should not ,e about r

i was encouraged to see 19 republican colleagues joined with senator murray on that very important bill dealing with transportation appropriations to advance the bill. 19 republicans broke away and decided to do that. republican leadership in both houses may be controlled by the tea party but it's encouraging to see more independent-minded republicans breaking away from the path. there is not a lot but i think it's going to grow. public -- republican colleagues are sick of gridlock, at least a few of them are as we are. they want the senate to the place where we work across the aisle with bipartisan compromise with the challenges we face in the nation. we are taking important steps passing a bipartisan transportation bill would be a significant step forward. i hope my republican colleagues will join in making that possible. senator schumer. >> i didn't know you were here. sorry about that. >> okay, well thank you senator reid and first i want to say chairwoman mikulski has done a fantastic job in crafting our appropriations process and senator murray has done a great job in crafting a b

finally, madam president, let me say i recognize that the senate bill is not perfect despite the heroic efforts that senator murrayand i made in committee, and the input and insights from our colleagues that are incorporated into this bill. but it is a good-faith bipartisan effort that attempts to strike the right balance between fiscal responsibility and our nation's infrastructure and housing needs. i'm confident that the bill that would come back from conference would be, frankly, at a lower spending level which i and many on my side of the aisle want to see. but i was encouraged by the senate's vote last week of 73-26, to allow the senate to proceed to this bill. and i know we can make improvements. that's what the amendment process is all about. so again, i just want to second what our chairman has said and encourage our colleagues to get their amendments filed and to work with both of us so we can proceed and wrap up this work session on a high note of passing on time an individual appropriations bill. and i am willing to work hard over the recess to conference the two bills to get going on that, and i know

for example, one bill that nator patty murray and kelly eye ott ensured that every victim had a victims advocate. in the base bill and passed unanimously. there's probably about a dozen really strong reforms that will help victims and help this process better. also accountability. punishments and whether you're sent out of the military if convicted. also better record keeping so we can find recidivists over time. if someone doesn't report we still have a record of the crime being committed. there's a lot of reforms. >> i think that's a very important question and it speaks to the need for a trained experienced prosecutor. i was a federal prosecutor. i serviced as state attorney general. ultimately the prosecutor can insist on standards and excellence in investigations. he's ultimately in charge. he's the one that has to present the case to a jury and make the case. so this proposal is integral to the entire justice system. and i might just go back to the question, you know, how can people who normally disagree ?ome together on this issue criminal justice has never been a partisan issue

appropriations bills on the senate floor, and i want to commend the work of chairwoman mikulski of the appropriations committee, her ranking member senator shelby, as well as both chairman murray and ranking member collins on the so-called t-h.u.d. bill. everything in washington has an acronym. so it is with this, the transportation housing appropriations bill. as many people know, when you consider those appropriations and you consider the subject matter, it's pretty broad and diverse. and i'll just give you maybe a five-part summation here of what we're talking about. it means investing, of course, in transportation infrastructure, providing housing and services to very vulnerable americans, supporting our communities and addressing the foreclosure crisis, which is still with us in so many ways, as the presiding officer stphoez so well and has -- as the presiding officer knows so well and has worked so hard on this problem for many years, ensuring the safety of our transportation system and, number five, promoting sustainability in our communities. i wanted to talk first about amtrak. amtrak is part of our transportation infrastructure that not only is critically important f

murray: what is the pending business? the presiding officer: the clerk report the pending business. the clerk: calendar number 99, s. 1243, a bill making appropriations for the departments of transportation and housing and urban development and so forth and for other purposes. mrs. murray: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from washington. mrs. murray: madam president, i ask unanimous consent the following amendments be in order and the senate proceed to their consideration en bloc: flake number 1818, flake number 1772, mccaskill-blunt number 1800, bloom blumenthal, menendez 1812, and quok ran number 1814. -- and cochran number 1814. the presiding officer: is there objection? the senator from maine. ms. collins: madam president, it is with great regret that on behalf of senator coburn, i am objecting. i want to point out that we've worked very hard to clear this list of amendments, and they include amendments from members on both sides of the aisle. it's a fair list, and i had hoped that we would be able to proceed tonight. regrettably, there is an objection on our side from senator coburn. i am, however, optim

disabilities, those without jobs, those with skill sets that need to be improved and this bill addresses all of those. senator murray has been a tireless senator in working to find common ground on issues critical to both the democratic party and the republican party but more important to the workers of the united states of america. i want to pay tribute to her staff who has worked tirelessly with my staff and i want to thank tommy you inland on my staff for his dedication and hard work. this bill is a real step forward and i'm pleased the business roundtable issued a release of their end.o.e. of the base bill we're putting forward in the committee. hopefully it will be on the floor when we come back from the summer recess he is we can move forward on lowering the unemployment rate in the united states of america. i'm pleased this bill provides flexibility to governors in terms of transferability of funds, it provides for business majorities on the boards and the business member to be a board chairman and the state chairman to be a businessperson which means those doing the employing will be those guiding the work f

bill is moving forward first here. the story notes that the senate budget committee chairwoman, patty murray, who served as the subcommitteechairwoman overseeing that bill said the bill was chosen because it will illustrate the impact of sequestration across the country on infrastructure and economic growth. are we going to see a return to sort of the impact of sequestration messages coming out of senate democrats and from the white house? >> guest: yeah, i think to some degree. but a lot of democrats -- well, certainly republicans and some democrats believe that the white house at first overplayed its hand on sequestration, and republicans mocked the white house for saying, you know, the sky would fall once sequestration went into effect. the economy is getting better and, of course, the if sequestration weren't in effect, the economy would be humming along better, and we're still not there yet. democrats are trying to make sequestration about the economy. they think over the long term this is going to have real affect on middle class families. but republicans say they don't like sequestration, especially the defense cuts

the 26-year-old murray is the first british man to win the tournament since fred perry back in 1936. >> bill's the new hero of britain. new rock star over there. >> they love him. >> bill: and we love eliot spitzer. yes, indeed. i gotta tell you i picked up "the new york times" this morning and you know, i was surprised but not surprised and you maybe had the same reaction to read the headline. here it is. seeking forgiveness spitzer will run for city controller. yes, indeed. they spell it the old way in new york. comptroller. but at any rate, he is back. i was surprised because i didn't know he was going to make the announcement this weekend but not surprised because i always figured that eliot spitzer will get back in the business. will get back into politics which is what he really loves and what he is very good at. now, you know, eliot spitzer is part of our team here. this is like talking about one of our own. there is a certain bias here. but i have to tell you as to the big question, should he run or not, should he be permitted to make a comeback or not should we forgive him and let h

likely have one more vote tonight and then we'll have senator murray and senator collins determine what's going to happen on the appropriations bill before us. i rise now, mr. president, to honor our colleague, orrin hatch. the next vote cast will be orrin hatch's 13,000th vote. 13,000. this is a tremendous accomplishment. and it speaks to his dedication to the state of utah, his constituents, and the united states senate and our country. he's the republicans' most senior member. he's now serving in his seventh term in the united states senate. before running for the senate, senator hatch received a bachelor's degree from brigham and young university, a law degree from university of pittsburgh, and worked in -- was in private practice for a number of years. he's the ranking member on the finance committee today. as we know, he made a great reputation for himself when he was chair of the judiciary committee. where we worked together with him, as we all did, for those many years. he serves on the help committee, joint committee on taxation. he's really had a significant impact on the united states senate. he's a dedicated member of

or patty hal rogers murray's fault that we cannot get appropriation bills passed. the problem is that there is a huge difference in judgment about what is achievable on the part of the budget committee. that same judgment produces a different result in the appropriations and ways and means committee. i think that is a fundamental flaw which has to be dealt with. that process alone is not the problem. my friend archie the cockroach said, what- he matters is not the system that you have. you do with is what whatever system you happen to have. if tommy tell you, thompson and i were running these committees today, i know what we would do, because i know what we did in the good old days back in madison. in madison in those days, we would fight like hell from 9:00 until 5:00. when we adjourned, we would go to the bar. the democrats would sit at one table and the republicans would sit at one table, and the reporters would sit at the bar, with their typewriters, and they would type their stories. they would come to our tables and asked us what was going on, and what was ou

senate chairwoman patty murray, who serves as the chairwoman overseeing the bill, says the bill was chosen because it would impact sequestration across the country on infrastructure and economic seeth area are we going to a return to the impact of sequestration messages coming out of senate democrats and from the white house? guest: i think to some degree. but a lot of democrats, some republicans and democrats say that the white house overplayed its hand on sequestration and republicans mocked the white house for saying the sky would fall once sequestration went into effect. , the economy would be humming along better and the white house says we are not there yet, but this is one of the messages about the economy. democrats are trying to make sequestration about the economy. a takeover the long-term that this will have real effects. republicans say they don't like sequestration and i don't like the defense cuts, but at the same time, they want cuts one way or the other and that is why they've gone into effect. host: here is an article from ."day plus "baltimore sun meat cleaver budget cutt

murray did survive his match. he and novack djokovic are the only ones left. roger federer rafael nadal has been knocked out. >> billncredible. >> brand new crop coming up. >> it is almost enough to make me watch tennis. >> bill: here we go. this speech, you know, it's interesting because the first full year, a lot of people, coral, gave president obama grief he didn't do anything about climate change and he really didn't. >> that's not true. did he two major things that first term. the first is he used his executive authority to create new fuel efficiency standards for cars. he doubled the fuel efficiency standards for cars which is a major step forward for reducing emissions from oil, from automobiles and it is very important because it is notable that he did that using his executive authority. he basically bailed out the auto industry and when they were kind of, you know, in the crunch, they came together and got a deal on agreeing to do the standards which they didn't really want to do. >> bill: hugely significant move. >> the second thing he did was he tried to get congress to pass a sweeping economywide cap an

this bill that ensures that men and women who have bravely served our country cannot be discriminated against in the housing assistance these appropriations provide. i want to thank senator murray and senator collins for their leadership as well as other colleagues, but one of the problems that i have heard described to me by veterans relates to discrimination when they return home after serving our country abroad and they have become civilian. one of the first things they often try to do is find a new home. often in a location far from their original home where they may not be known, where they enlisted, but now have left. and it may also be far from the military installation where they used to call home. fortunately, almost all americans across our country rightly welcome our heroes home. and they welcome them with open arms. but unfortunately, i've seen reports, i've heard descriptions of instances where landlords would not rent to veterans simply because they have served our country in uniform, and i find this practice absolutely unconscionable. let me tell you about the case of sergeant joel morgan, a combat veteran who bravely served our country in iraq. sergeant morgan,

murray: madam president, the senate has now agreed on a bipartisan basis to move forward on the transportation and housing bill. i want to thank all of our colleagues now as we move forward on this appropriations bill. we will be open for amendment. i know there are members who have a number of issues that they would like us to consider. i would urge them to bring us, senator collins and myself, the managers of this bill, as soon as possible so we can begin to work our way through them. so as we go into recess for lunches, please, would the members work with both of us so that we can manage this in a responsible way and move it to final passage. and i appreciate all the work of my ranking member, senator collins, the members of the committee and all the senators who are working with us to move this bill forward. thank you, madam president. i yield the floor. the presiding officer: the clerk will report the bill. the clerk: calendar number 99, s. 1243, a bill making appropriations for the departments of transportation and housing and urban development and related agencies for the fiscal year ending september 30

gentleman saying is, like the budget bill, we're not going to go to conference unless something else happens. in case of the budget, until mr. ryan gets mr. murray to agree on -- i don't want to haracterize it too heavily but to agree with him as opposed to compromise. but i'm a little, as i say, perplexed because a few weeks ago you told me the reason we passed that farm bill without the provision for nutrition which has been in there for half a century was so that we could go to conference. well, now we're there. and -- but there's no motion to go to conference. i'm perplexed and i would appreciate the gentleman, because we now have the opportunity to follow regular order, we now have the senate who has voted to go to conference, acted on our bill that we sent there, substituted their bill for us and now have asked for a conference on the same. that is regular order. can the gentleman tell me, are we now making a condition as we lawyers say, presea dent that something has to -- precedent, before we go to conference? you and i both know the nutrition bill is what made the farm bill apparently fall on the rocks which is why you drotched it in or

bill will be rejected by some of our republican colleagues. i don't know if that will happen but i hope it will. >> let me add that i think senator murray and senator collins deserve a lot of credit by getting beyond partisanship and working together in a very effective way on the floor. the reality is that republicans and democrats both drive on roads. republicans and democrats care about whether or not the bridge they're driving over is safe. and this should not be a partisan issue. and i'm hoping when it comes to the final vote people will understand that part of the way you grow the economy creates a competitive situation for businesses and communities and creates middle-class jobs is by supporting rebuilding america's infrastructure. >> how optimistic are you you can avoid a government shutdown? >> i think cooler heads will prevail. i do. i don't think -- i think republicans realize that leaderships realize they're playing with fire if they risk either default by not raising the debt ceiling or government shutdown by not funding the government. so even though you have those on the extreme right busy, you know, banging the table, shut the gover