c-span: congressman bill paxon of new york. >> guest: bill paxon`s office. and bill was the chairman of the leadership at that time. so i went down there and kind of knocked on the door and walked in. they`re having dinner. and boy, just -- you know, both of these guys were very, very close friends of mine. the conversation just stopped. and i knew that there was something going on, something wrong. and so i said to tom ,oh, yes, go do whatever you want to do, which isn`t natural for tom. so i did. i figured if they wanted to talk about what they had to talk about, that`s fine. and so later that night, i got called into -- back down there after we were out of session and said, well, you know, we have a real problem. there`s a group of young conservatives, mostly in the class of `94 but a few others, that want to depose newt. they want to vacate the chair. it`s a parliamentary procedure. what are we going to do? and you know, armey eventually came into that discussion, and we had a long discussion into the night. delay went over and talked to those people. and