i'm joined down the line by rammell, former labour by bill rammell, former labour minister.gel. what a fascinating day . nigel. what a fascinating day. uh, the labour party present to 400 businesses. we've had the boss of iceland endorsing laboun boss of iceland endorsing labour, and we've had rachel reeves standing up and saying 25% on corporation tax is the correct balance. so we're not going to put up corporation tax. something the business community wanted to hear. the so—called bankers bonuses. wanted to hear. the so—called bankers bonuses . we're not going bankers bonuses. we're not going to change the relaxation of rules on that. and i quote , the rules on that. and i quote, the next labour government will make the pro—business choice and the pro growth choice is this enough, bill rammell, to convince people that labour will not be a tax and spend party? >> well, i think it's part of what we need to do and, you know, throughout the new labour years, we did position ourselves and we were convincing as being the . party of business and the. party of business and certain

labour minister for the middle east, bill rammell . bill, thank east, bill rammell. e with you from the biggest you hours away from the biggest rebellion of keir starmer's leadership, he decided to intervene personally and go and meet with sir lindsay. then, lo and behold , we have a break of and behold, we have a break of convention, a massive break of convention. and here we are right now . has keir starmer right now. has keir starmer supposed man of integrity, thrown lindsay hoyle under the bus ? bus? >> emphatically not. >> emphatically not. >> um, leaders of parties, frontbenchers , senior frontbenchers, senior parliamentarians meet with the speaker every single week that parliament is sitting to make representations about particular issues or the conduct of business within the house of commons. it happens all the time . and what legitimately, keir starmer was making represents motions about was that he wanted labour mps to be given the opportunity to vote for the labour amendment and not be forced to choose between an snp amendment and a conserved party amendmen

let's get the very latest with the former labour minister, bill rammell, and the former , uh, rammell you spent years as a labour mp. indeed years as as a labour mp. indeed years as a labour minister. two keir starmer was messed this one up. >> well, we've reached the right decision, but it took too long to get there. >> but there is context . >> but there is context. >> but there is context. >> uh, ali, the comments he made initially that were reported completely wrong, but he immediately fell on his sword upon and interestingly, was backed by people like louise ellman , uh, a very respected ellman, uh, a very respected former jewish labour mp who said in her experience he was a strong supporter of her and other jewish colleagues. >> the criticism that people on the left of the labour party have , that this person from have, that this person came from the faction of the party as the same faction of the party as people louise , and they all people like louise, and they all knew each other. they'd known each for years, so they each other for years, so they crowded . whereas are crowded

bill rammell, who obviously radically obviously have radically different say different views on this,agree with keir starmer's weak with as sir keir starmer's weak leadership . and exposed by the leadership. and exposed by the gaza ceasefire crisis, nick on act says it was weak leadership even before the ceasefire crisis . william says not if it . william says not sure if it exposes weak leadership, but it certainly exposed who will be pandenng certainly exposed who will be pandering to he's in number pandering to when he's in number 10. massive problem. exactly that. 10. massive problem. exactly that . i just 10. massive problem. exactly that. i just just say that, didn't i? that whose views have won the day to day, jim says starmer played this very well and has avoided all that. was he being about him tomorrow? if being about him tomorrow? uh, if the tories snp hadn't the tories and the snp hadn't stormed could had the tories and the snp hadn't stvoteed could had the tories and the snp hadn't stvote today. could had the tories and the snp hadn't stvote today. i could had the tories

. >> joined by the former >> i'm joined now by the former labour mp bill rammell, returning to our tope? thanks for joining us on there? thanks for joining us on the is the story. of the show. this is the story. of course, bill, welcome . we're course, bill, welcome. we're talking today about the £28 billion net zero u—turn. there's a briefing going on right now, in fact, about what's due in the next labour manifesto ahead of the general election. a key flagship policy dropped at the 11th hour. the his opponents call him sir flip flop. this is the biggest u—turn of sir keir starmer's career . starmer's career. >> well, the economics circumstances have clearly changed compared to when we made the pledge in 2021. the substance is still there . the substance is still there. the commitment to home efficiency, uh, the commitment to decarbonise the economy by 2030. but i think rightly, we recognise the circumstance and we're not going to be hooked on a specific figure because our fiscal credibility after the chaos of the tory years is hugely important. if i do have a criticism, it's that rea