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earlier, i spoke to governor bill richardson, former cabinet secretary under bill clinton. and_lasked_i1ncement that there is going to bea summit announcement that there is going to be a summit in six weeks, at the end of february, because the last summit injune has of february, because the last summit in june has produced of february, because the last summit injune has produced nothing of substance, especially from the north koreans. they have not been nuclearised, they have not done anything about their missiles, the nuclear weapons, absolutely nothing. not even disclosed the number of weapons or not even disclosed the number of weapons oi’ where not even disclosed the number of weapons or where the weapons are. so i think we're putting the cart before the horse, as we say here in america. i would before the horse, as we say here in america. iwould have before the horse, as we say here in america. i would have wanted the president and the north koreans to announce some steps that the north koreans have ta ken announce some steps that the north koreans have taken since the last summit,
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bill richardson l.a.ng this morning, on strong earnings, susan li with details. >> up 9% good morning. >> good morning to you maria, congratulations for mastering instagram ge shares higher rallying in premarket this is is since a revenue beat actually pretty good, for ge as you know has been shrinking problems with company aviation was strong for ge, in the quarter, and that offset the slowdown problems that we see in capital business power as well ge, settling doj subprime segment one and a half billion dollars to 2008 financial crisis and as you know they have been spinning off several businesses 2018 to spring off cash flow try to make profits. >> facebook, rallying in premarket shares as you mentioned doing very well on instagram facebook as well, they grew daily active users geographic locations after downturn in europe also plateau in a north america important to watch. >> thank you so much, meanwhile, u.s.-china trade, the president tweeting about it this morning saying this, china pop trade negot
bill richardson l.a.ng this morning, on strong earnings, susan li with details. >> up 9% good morning. >> good morning to you maria, congratulations for mastering instagram ge shares higher rallying in premarket this is is since a revenue beat actually pretty good, for ge as you know has been shrinking problems with company aviation was strong for ge, in the quarter, and that offset the slowdown problems that we see in capital business power as well ge, settling doj subprime segment...
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ambassador bill richardson will be here to tell us whether he thinks china and the u.s.to reach a trade deal tc> and a representative at fih will explain why the u.s.'s aaa rating is in danger [knocking] ♪ ♪ memories. what we deliver by delivering. when it might be time to buy or sell? with fidelity's real-time analytics, you'll get clear, actionable alerts about potential investment opportunities in real time. fidelity. open an account today. >>> welcome back time for a cnbc news update with sue herera hey, sue. >> hey hi, wilf. senator lindsey graham, incoming chairman of the senate judiciary committee says barr has confidence in special counsel robert mueller. >> it is a high opinion of mr. mueller, believes that mr. mueller is doing a professional job and will do a professional job, be fair to the country as a whole and has no reason for mr. mueller to stop doing his job and will allow mr. mueller to finish. >> a court has denied carlos ghosn to be released from detention. he is under arrest for aggravated breach of trust for alleged wrongdoing. >>> denver broncos ha
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bill richardson, thank you very much. all the new developments this morning and boy there are a lot of them. stunning, a report out from buzz feed claiming that president trump directed michael cohen to lie to congress about that project to potentially build a trump tower in moscow. huge implications if that is true. stay with us. che, even if no one else can. it's why we focus only on headaches. nothing works faster. we see your pain and what's possible without it. excedrin extra strength. missing your family reunion or being the surprise guest. at jackson hewitt we help lots of people like you. you could get up to $3500 with a no fee refund advance. so why wait? visit jackson hewitt today. so why wait? but how do i know if i'm i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car so i know if i'm getting a great price. this is how car buying was always meant to be. this is truecar. this round is on me. hey, can you spot
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. >> joining me now bill richardson former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. your time here as we delve into this crisis in venezuela. it started years ago and you were there as an election monitor when maduro was elected in 2014. talk about the u.s. involvement in taking action now why at this point and is this the right action >> well, so far, you know, i've been a critic of the trump foreign policy across the board. but here in venezuela, i believe they're making the right moves one, rolling the dice and endorsing and recognizing this young 35-year-old leader of the opposition because the opposition was divided and now going to the security council to get public support, country support, to recognize this new leader. now, a lot of latin american countries are backing us so is the organization of american states. but frances, two things we should not do. one, military intervention in venezuela by the u.s and i think also, we should be very, very careful about making sure that the venezuelan military bring a dialogue with them and push for free and fair elect
. >> joining me now bill richardson former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. your time here as we delve into this crisis in venezuela. it started years ago and you were there as an election monitor when maduro was elected in 2014. talk about the u.s. involvement in taking action now why at this point and is this the right action >> well, so far, you know, i've been a critic of the trump foreign policy across the board. but here in venezuela, i believe they're making the right moves one,...
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earlier, i spoke to governor bill richardson, former cabinet secretary under bill clinton, and i askedthe right way. well, i'm a bit troubled by the announcement that there is going to be a summit in six weeks, at the end of february, because the last summit injune has produced nothing of substance, especially from the north koreans. they have not denuclearised. they have not done anything about their missiles, their nuclear weapons — absolutely nothing, not even disclosed the number of weapons or where the weapons are. so i think we're putting the cart before the horse, as we say here in america. i would have wanted the president and the north koreans to announce and that hasn't happened. so i'm a bit troubled. maybe more details will emerge, but what can north korea do in six weeks to show progress on denuclearisation? not very much. so do you think that this is more about showmanship and something for the cameras, rather than something of substance? i do believe so. i believe both leaders want another summit where there's a lot of photographs, there's a lot of pageantry, but very li
earlier, i spoke to governor bill richardson, former cabinet secretary under bill clinton, and i askedthe right way. well, i'm a bit troubled by the announcement that there is going to be a summit in six weeks, at the end of february, because the last summit injune has produced nothing of substance, especially from the north koreans. they have not denuclearised. they have not done anything about their missiles, their nuclear weapons — absolutely nothing, not even disclosed the number of...
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ambassador, bill richardson, will be here to talk about what comes next in venezuela. >> bill: watchingjudge released him on $250,000 bond. you will see that live when it begins right here on fox. as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. if you need cash for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no. give us a call. call now: 1-855-376-1361. >> well, we are looking at venezuela, it is a very sad situation. that was the richest state in all of that area. that's a big beautiful area. by far the richest. now it's one of the poorest places in the world. that's what socialism gets you. >> sandra: president trump on the chaos in venezuela, after recognizing president maduro's opponent as the interim leader. ordering all venezuelan diplomats to return home from the u.s. amid the government protest there appeared former new mexico governor bill richardson joins us now. also our investor to the u.n. governor, welcome. thank you for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> san
ambassador, bill richardson, will be here to talk about what comes next in venezuela. >> bill: watchingjudge released him on $250,000 bond. you will see that live when it begins right here on fox. as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. if you need cash for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no. give us a call. call now: 1-855-376-1361. >> well, we are...
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bill richardson, former ambassador to the u.n., we appreciate you being here. ents from now, the senate is going to vote on two bills that are going to fail. these are live pictures of the senate floor ahead of these votes. >>> plus, house speaker nancy pelosi playing hardball and she wins. why did president trump concede so quicklyover t over the statee union address? ration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. only preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd. that's why i fight. because it's my vision. preservision. also, in a great-tasting chewable. (avo) lisecond chances. you many but a subaru can. you guys ok? you alright? wow. (avo) eyesight with pre-collision braking. standard on the subaru ascent. presenting the all-new three-row subaru ascent. love is now bigger than ever. with retirement planning and advice for what you need today and tomorrow. because when you're with fidelity, the
bill richardson, former ambassador to the u.n., we appreciate you being here. ents from now, the senate is going to vote on two bills that are going to fail. these are live pictures of the senate floor ahead of these votes. >>> plus, house speaker nancy pelosi playing hardball and she wins. why did president trump concede so quicklyover t over the statee union address? ration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. only preservision...
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remember, back in 2007, bill richardson, i think he announced on ""meet the press"" maybe on tv or one of those sunday shows. and then obama announced his in february. >> it's now. because they've got to lock down donors. >> there is a lot of money out there and a lot of democrats vying for it, trying to figure out who is viable will take a long time. but i think we're going to see it early because the president wants to try to define his path. look, i think this will confound a lot of people. as politically weak as he may look and you look at the potential problems for him, it is not so easy to take power away from an incumbent president, especially with a large democratic feel which will maybe start to win out this year. >> history tells us often that sometimes when you think it is an election running or winning, it turns out to be the opposite. no one thought bill clinton had a chance. i think there is one thing happening on the democratic side. right now as we head into the new year, i think beto o'rourke is driving the story. not maybe him but everything surrounding him and forcin
remember, back in 2007, bill richardson, i think he announced on ""meet the press"" maybe on tv or one of those sunday shows. and then obama announced his in february. >> it's now. because they've got to lock down donors. >> there is a lot of money out there and a lot of democrats vying for it, trying to figure out who is viable will take a long time. but i think we're going to see it early because the president wants to try to define his path. look, i think this...
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something troublesome to latino voters and suggested they should try to get an endorsement by bill richardson that came out, embarrassing, were they explosive, vote-changing? that's a question that is open to answering. this is what the mueller investigation is trying to find out wrchlt they the result have russian hacking and did they give them to wikileaks and did the trump campaign conspire to then have this whole thing blow up. that's where we're at. the mueller team did not make that link in this indictment. stone says that they never will. >> no evidence of collusion or wikileaks collaboration. i rye jekt the idea that i coordinated it all. kalt gorically false. i intend to prove it at trial. >> martha: his arraignment is set for tuesday. mike cal putt owe has been on the mueller hot seat and said it was about roger stone when they questioned him. michael, good to have you here tonight. when you look back at the chain of events here that, we just went through and what lies at the heart of this, tell me a little bit about what you think, who you call, you call roger stone your best frien
something troublesome to latino voters and suggested they should try to get an endorsement by bill richardson that came out, embarrassing, were they explosive, vote-changing? that's a question that is open to answering. this is what the mueller investigation is trying to find out wrchlt they the result have russian hacking and did they give them to wikileaks and did the trump campaign conspire to then have this whole thing blow up. that's where we're at. the mueller team did not make that link...
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. >> the president says all options are on the table with venezuela, but you have bill richardson sayingshould not be an option where do you come down on this >> they're both right. we have plans for a large scale military intervention like every place else we're not likely to use it in fact, the most likely use of the military instrument is if our people get further threatened 30 days from now. we have the military capability. we have the plans. we have the military organizations. >> but -- >> of people going in and rescuing our people and taking them out >> military plans, is it contingent upon those inside breaking the madur so. >> we can do it whether they break with him or not. >> i don't think we'll see the kind of intervention like gray g grenada. it doesn't take all of them to sign up for guoado he's offering amnesty to just about everybody already. that might be the way things resolve themselves. >> good to talk to you >>> a new article in "the new york times". trump and his associates had more than 100 contacts with russians before the inauguration we're talking about this next
. >> the president says all options are on the table with venezuela, but you have bill richardson sayingshould not be an option where do you come down on this >> they're both right. we have plans for a large scale military intervention like every place else we're not likely to use it in fact, the most likely use of the military instrument is if our people get further threatened 30 days from now. we have the military capability. we have the plans. we have the military organizations....
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remember back in 2007 bill richardson, i think he announced on "meet the press" maybe, i think, on tv or one of those sunday shows and then obama announced his in february. >> the future is now. >> it's now. they have to lock down donors. >> and there is a lot of money out there. there is a lot of money out there and a lot of democrats vying for it, trying to figure out who is viable is going to take -- is going to take a long time. but i think we're going to see it early because the president wants to try to define his path. look, i think this will confound a lot of people as politically weak as he may look if you look at the polls and all the potential problems for him, it's not so easy to take power away from an incumbent president and especially with such a large democratic field which will maybe start to winnow this year. >> history tells us often that sometimes when you think that it is an election worth running in or winning, it turns out to be the opposite and sometimes bill clinton ran against george h.w. bush and no one thought he had a chance. there's one thing happening on
remember back in 2007 bill richardson, i think he announced on "meet the press" maybe, i think, on tv or one of those sunday shows and then obama announced his in february. >> the future is now. >> it's now. they have to lock down donors. >> and there is a lot of money out there. there is a lot of money out there and a lot of democrats vying for it, trying to figure out who is viable is going to take -- is going to take a long time. but i think we're going to see it...
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against bill richardson perhaps in 2008. castro is heavily leaning on his immigration background.ite indeference to the president of the united states. ultimately they're trying to determine who is going to be the democratic nominee to go against trump come november 2020 and trying to differentiate himself and saying look, we want to take it to president trump, i will present a different america than president trump is presenting and we'll see if it works. he's being honest with everybody. saying he's a long shot. he certainly is. you know what, you run, you run, you run, you run. you never know what might happen. >> mustafa, we heard again castro has been able to attract, you know, some pretty heavy hitters in the political, you know, sphere to join him. >> look, one thing we often don't talk about the 38 electoral votes from texas. texas has been pay republican state. democrats have been winning the popular
against bill richardson perhaps in 2008. castro is heavily leaning on his immigration background.ite indeference to the president of the united states. ultimately they're trying to determine who is going to be the democratic nominee to go against trump come november 2020 and trying to differentiate himself and saying look, we want to take it to president trump, i will present a different america than president trump is presenting and we'll see if it works. he's being honest with everybody....
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joining me now bill richardson along with michelle caruso-cabrera welcome to you both. michele, let megyn with you. you made it back from davos. no issues with the plane >> bill is stuck in d.c., is that right, because of this? you wanted to get to new mexico but you couldn't get out, right? >> that's right. i couldn't so i'm staying here to do your show and then i'm going to new mexico >> thank you we appreciate that michele just in terms of the shutdown and negotiating process right now, again if we go back to getting this open for a couple of weeks on a temporary basis, if there was ever a time of 30 day shutdown we got something out of it shouldn't it be a win for republicans on border security and democrats on the issue of dreamers and everybody is happy >> instead of kicking the can to some point in the future take acstep to get at least a temporary solution is a very good first step because then you have time to try to figure something out. both sides realizing it got to the point it's problematic for everybody involved maybe these situations with the airports was
joining me now bill richardson along with michelle caruso-cabrera welcome to you both. michele, let megyn with you. you made it back from davos. no issues with the plane >> bill is stuck in d.c., is that right, because of this? you wanted to get to new mexico but you couldn't get out, right? >> that's right. i couldn't so i'm staying here to do your show and then i'm going to new mexico >> thank you we appreciate that michele just in terms of the shutdown and negotiating...
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with really nothing to lose, when nixon decided that he, bill saxbe would be his choice for attorney general. the successor to elliot richardson would be this republican ohio senator, bill saxbe, and whether or not nixon and the nixon white house had anticipated it, the fact that saxbe was a senator, the fact that he was a lame duck senator who was leaving town and didn't owe anybody anything, and had a general level of comfort and familiarity with him as a person and a colleague, it meant that saxbe's confirmation hearings to be attorney general didn't have to be too much about him. senators were pretty fine with him, right, they knew him. they were fine. bill saxbe. okay. what his confirmation hearings ended up being about instead was exactly one thing, over and over again, for the duration of his confirmation hearings in december 1973, all they wanted to talk about was one thing. >> in one of those quaint senator ceremonies, saxbe was introduced to the senate judiciary committee, questions concentrated on whether saxbe would allow special watergate prosecutor complete independence. >> questions concentrated almost entirely
with really nothing to lose, when nixon decided that he, bill saxbe would be his choice for attorney general. the successor to elliot richardson would be this republican ohio senator, bill saxbe, and whether or not nixon and the nixon white house had anticipated it, the fact that saxbe was a senator, the fact that he was a lame duck senator who was leaving town and didn't owe anybody anything, and had a general level of comfort and familiarity with him as a person and a colleague, it meant that...
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senators asked elliott richardson in his confirmation hearing back in 1973. similar context, similar concerns. and bill barr did not make the same cooped of unequivocal commitments that elliott richardson did. he did not make the unequivocal statement that he would be allowed to have the investigation going where it leads. he didn't make what i was hoping for, which is an unequivocal commitment to share with the committee, the fruits of robert mueller's labors a final report. he didn't make a commitment that he would seek and follow the conclusions of the department of justice, ethics specialists. >> those were three particular concerns i had today, i was broadly encouraged by his tone, forcefulne forcefulness, and to protect the department of justice and mueller's investigation, i was not encouraged by his very careful wording around those specific topics. >> how will you vote on this confirmation? >> we have a second day of hearings tomorrow, and then i will have questions for the record. i'm keeping an open mind, i think it's an important confirmation hearing. >> what will it take to earn his vote,
senators asked elliott richardson in his confirmation hearing back in 1973. similar context, similar concerns. and bill barr did not make the same cooped of unequivocal commitments that elliott richardson did. he did not make the unequivocal statement that he would be allowed to have the investigation going where it leads. he didn't make what i was hoping for, which is an unequivocal commitment to share with the committee, the fruits of robert mueller's labors a final report. he didn't make a...
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elliot richardson, got dressed god rest him so, that's all fin and wonderful. bill barr has to deal with toda and right now he's going to be the next attorney general. the people in the fbi and doj who conspired to deny donald trump his civil rights to run the election, during the transition, and after he became president, when they committed those crimes, they are shaking in their boots at the thought o bill barr being the next attorney general of the united states. >> laura: why is it so important now that barr assumed the position of attorney genera given a live learned back durin the campaign to the dossier, to the media leaks, what we learne today and what we learned last friday. why is he really an ingenious choice at this point in the history of the agency? >> well, because he is taking over a justice department that had a large number of departure and an fbi were at least ten people have been reassigned, retired, or pirates of the agency has lost its reputation and so has the department of justice. more importantly,or his task is reestablish the test of equa
elliot richardson, got dressed god rest him so, that's all fin and wonderful. bill barr has to deal with toda and right now he's going to be the next attorney general. the people in the fbi and doj who conspired to deny donald trump his civil rights to run the election, during the transition, and after he became president, when they committed those crimes, they are shaking in their boots at the thought o bill barr being the next attorney general of the united states. >> laura: why is it...
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and elliot richardson, god rest his soul, that is all fine and wonderful, bill barr had to deal with today and right now. he's going to be the next attorney general and let me tell you, the people in the fbi and the doj who conspired to deny donald trump's civil rights, both during the election, durind after he became president, when they committed those crimes, they are shaking in their boots at the thought of bill barr being the next attorney general of the united states. >> laura: victor, why's it so important now that bill barr assume the position of attorney general, given that all that we have learned, back during the campaign, to the dossier, to the media leaks, what we learned today and what we learned last friday? why is barr kind of inane and choice at this point in the history of the agency? >> because he's taking over a justice department that has a large number of departures, and fbi were at least ten people have been reassigned, retired, or fired. the agency has lost his reputation and so has department of justice. more importantly, his task is to reestablish the concep
and elliot richardson, god rest his soul, that is all fine and wonderful, bill barr had to deal with today and right now. he's going to be the next attorney general and let me tell you, the people in the fbi and the doj who conspired to deny donald trump's civil rights, both during the election, durind after he became president, when they committed those crimes, they are shaking in their boots at the thought of bill barr being the next attorney general of the united states. >> laura:...
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richardson will not attempt in any way to intervene. >> bill barr has better give us some iron-clad rockes in terms of his independence and his willingness to step back and let mueller finish his job. >> how do you define that line of those assurances? >> i think this isn't even close to the assurances that were given for nixon. not even close. there actually the nominee for attorney general sat next to the special prosecutor at the hearing and said i won't interfere. here ewe got -- >> so you're talking about what was then richardson and cox sitting there in front of the cameras, which today would be the equivalent of seeing barr and mueller tomorrow. we have no expectations that's happening. >> also the southern district investigations. so it's more than just mueller. so that's one thing. remember, you're putting up there a nominee who about william barr who is famous for his really ridiculous constitutional views which are the president controls the prosecution power entirely. even is barr's promise worth even the paper it's printed on, because if trump orders him to say shut down mue
richardson will not attempt in any way to intervene. >> bill barr has better give us some iron-clad rockes in terms of his independence and his willingness to step back and let mueller finish his job. >> how do you define that line of those assurances? >> i think this isn't even close to the assurances that were given for nixon. not even close. there actually the nominee for attorney general sat next to the special prosecutor at the hearing and said i won't interfere. here ewe...
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behind the scenes when richardson dealt with watergate, he cited his commitment that had been made to the senate. now, that's the precedent that hangs over next week's hearings on billcause later when nixon defied the special prosecutor's requests famously for the watergate tapes and demanded richardson fire the prosecutor, well, richardson actually had two reasons to stand up to nixon. one, he thought that order was wrong. but that's always a debatable thing between a president and an attorney general. more importantly, two, richardson already pledged to the senate that kind of order was wrong, and that was not debatable. it was black and white and under oath. so as you know, as everyone now knows, he famously quit in protest, setting off the constitutional crisis of nixon's saturday night massacre. >> my own single most important commitment to this objective was my commitment to the independence of the special prosecutor. i could not be faithful to this commitment and also acquiesce in the curtailment of his authority. >> the country tonight is in the midst of what may be the most serious constitutional crisis in its history. >> many remember that. now, some peopl
behind the scenes when richardson dealt with watergate, he cited his commitment that had been made to the senate. now, that's the precedent that hangs over next week's hearings on billcause later when nixon defied the special prosecutor's requests famously for the watergate tapes and demanded richardson fire the prosecutor, well, richardson actually had two reasons to stand up to nixon. one, he thought that order was wrong. but that's always a debatable thing between a president and an attorney...
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his best friend, the co-clerk, elliott richardson, elliott richardson said i will wait for you. when bill came out and said why don't we go over to union station, it's closer and we have so much work to do and not eat there and go back they went to union station and aden only when they got back to the chambers today learned that his friend elliott richardson had called to the mayflower hotel and learned they would not serve back people and that is why they went to union station. it took a case in 1953, dc versus thompson to ensure that all dc facilities had to serve african-americans. as we look around this room, [ applause ] i want you to remember it wasn't always like this and that it takes the work of civil rights loris -- lawyers to move us forward . >> use your assignment, take out your phone and a pen, i'm not playing because this is a martin luther king day commemoration and you have to work. the first thing you have to work on is dealing with the government shutdown. i know people say trump shut down but i say macconnell shut down. you need to call your senator and you need to tel
his best friend, the co-clerk, elliott richardson, elliott richardson said i will wait for you. when bill came out and said why don't we go over to union station, it's closer and we have so much work to do and not eat there and go back they went to union station and aden only when they got back to the chambers today learned that his friend elliott richardson had called to the mayflower hotel and learned they would not serve back people and that is why they went to union station. it took a case...