this is only one of a number of different tools. >> woodruff: bill rys, let me ask you about another proposal, and that to eliminate the capital gains tax on stock and small businesses. this is a targeted thing. it's on investments just in the last year. >> well, one of the challenges with this proposal, it's very targeted. the number of small businesses that qualify are very small. it's only what we call a c-corp. only about 20%, 25% of small business owners would qualify. 75% of small business owners are organized as a pass-through business. if we want to get serious about eliminating capital gains for small business, let's do it for all small business and for any capital asset they own, not just a stock. if they own an investment or a piece of property, i think we need to look big or a proposal like that. >> woodruff: john arensmeyer, how do you see that? >> again, i mean, it only attacks a portion of the problem i degree, in and of itself. it's not a panacea. we would be open to looking at an expansion of what has been proposed but these proposals have to be looked at in total. t

most debate on the floor, the longest,up in 22 years on each and every one of these bills would have a response for you. ry one of these bills, would have a response for you. my concern is that if we do that, then we're essentially back on fox news or msnbc on the split screen just arguing back and forth. so my hope would be that we can just focus on the issues of how we actually get a bill done. and this would probably be a good time to turn it over to secretary sebelius -- >> could i just say, mr. president, the american people care about what we did and how we did it. i think it's a subject that i think we should discuss. >> they absolutely do care about it, john, and i think that the it, john, and i think that the way you ch obviously would get some strong objections from the other side. we can have a debate about process or we can have a debate about how we're actually going to help the american people at this point. i think that's the latter debate is the one they care about a little bit more. so kathleen, why don't you just address some of the issues related to insurance reform. there is some agre