i've had those discussions with our law enforcement agencies, whether it's bill silverman or adult probation with wendy stills or the youth programs with karen onion and marie sue scprts running the youth programs or our police chief or our fire chief or any of the numerous other leaders, and they all know they can have the best programs as well, but if the people who are doing the violence aren't reached those programs are half backed. they're not as good. i wouldn't throw them all out, but they're not good enough because people still live in fear in our housing projects, wherever they maybe in the housing developments or the run down 10aments that we have that we will attempt to rebuild and you heard me again. it's not about the brick and mortar. it's not rebuilding the physical structures of that. we will do that. we have the money to do that. we have the resources to do that, but it has been about hope sf, about rebuilding lives and giving hope first before we put the bricks and mortar in because if we don't have people believing they have a non violent world to live in it doesn't matter

the government can't say this is a christmas tree. >> bill: mr. silverman, it is a fact that christianity is not a religion. it is a philosophy. if the government was saying that the methodist religion, all right, deserves a special place in the public square, i would be on your side. >> so you are going to actually tell me on live television that christianity is not a religion? >> bill: correct, it is a philosophy. >> you and i are going to fundamentally disagree on that point. >> bill: you are wrong. >> roman catholicism is a religion. judaism is a religion. >> they are sects of christianity. you know what? it's really not cool for you to try to. >> bill: not cool? >> not cool for you to cloud their. this issue is about religious neutrality from the government. the government says -- the government is not awill youd to pick sides and say religious belief or philosophy, fine. over another. >> bill: the government cannot promote a religion. >> no it says the congress shall not establish any laws respecting -- >> bill: reaj, not a philosophy. >> so you would