. >> we spend bill yonls, and trillions fighting terrorists, how can we not do better. >> there's a bunch of reasons. we tend to dismiss these people as crazy, or we think that they are thinking like us. and operate like us. that may be a bigger problem. because those are - they are a little like start-ups against a big corporation, eastman kodak. they are very kick to move, they are quick to reoryet themselves, especially -- re-orient themselves, special this group, i.s., and there's not a lot of infrastructure they need to protect - not until recently. look at the department of homeland security, 240,000 employees, 22 agencies folded into that. is it. >> 100 congressional... >> yes, exactly, all that makes for a big ossified bureaucracy that is slow to move. that's homeland security. what about the defense department, the c.i.a. they cannot cope with the fast-moving imaginative terrorist groups. >> you mentioned the junior varsity comments, how we go back to jp when president obama -- to january when president obama said that. i.s. controlled big parts of syria, it had come down through