michael jackson couldn't get billie jean on mtv. >> when the rest of the world was going crazy and het moon walk, if you were on the couch, by the end of it you were on the floor at the tv, you couldn't believe what you were seeing. >> i was saying the moonwalk was one of the first viral moments that affected rock history..the next week, "thriller" started selling a million copies a week. >> i like michael jackson because he is good, he knows how to dance. >> he is sexy and gorgeous. >> michael jackson is the man of the '80s. >> mtv starts to get pressure from cbs records, michael jackson's label. >> rock and roll in itself was the thing that broke a lot of rules. >> you're successful, you try to make your own rules occasionally. >> as the story goes, cbs said we will pull every other artist we have on mtv if you don't play this. they had to be blackmailed into doing it. ♪ it doesn't matter who's wrong or right just beat it ♪ >> he was the artist that mtv really needed. they didn't know they needed him, but when we started to see the michael jackson videos, it was unbelievable. then t

at that time, thriller is out and thriller is doing well but michael jackson couldn't get billie jean going crazy and he can't get on mtv, michael jackson? come on. ♪ >> when he does that moon walk, if he was sitting on the couch by the end of it, you were on the floor in front of the tv. you couldn't believe what you were seeing. >> i would say that the moon walk was really one of the first viral moments that affected rock history. the next week "thriller" starred selling a million copies a week. >> i like michael jackson because he's good, he's bad, he knows how to dance. >> ooze so sexy and he's so gorgeous. >> exciting. > michael jackson is the man of the '80s. >> mtv starts taking pressure from cbs records which was michael jackson's label. >> rock 'n' roll in itself really was the thing that broke a lot of rules. you're very successful, you try to make your own rules occasionally. >> as the story goes cbs essentially said we will pull every other artist we have on mtv if you don't play this. they had to be essentially blackmailed into doing it. ♪ just beat it >> he was the artis

but michael jackson couldn't get "billie jean" on mtv. ♪ she was more like a beauty queen from a moviethat moonwalk, if you were sitting on the couch by the end of it you were on the floor in front of the tv. you couldn't believe what you were seeing. >> i would say the moonwalk was really one of the first viral moments that affected rock history. the next week "thriller" started selling a million copies a week. >> i like michael jackson because he sings good. he's bad. he knows how to dance. >> he's so sexy and so gorgeous. >> he's exciting! >> michael jackson is the man of the '80s. >> mtv starts to get pressure from cbs records, which was michael jackson's label. >> rock and roll in itself was really the thing that broke a lot of rules. when you're very successful, you try to make your own rules occasionally. >> as the story goes, cbs essentially said we will pull every other artist we have on mtv if you don't play this. they had to be essentially blackmailed into doing it. ♪ it doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ ♪ just beat it >> he was the artist that mtv really needed. they di

i remember once we had a hearing on title 9 and billie jean king came and when she was in college, i think it was with stan smith, a full scholarship, i think usc or somewhere in california, he had a full scholarship as a tennis player and she had to work in the gym and fold towels. title 9 has changed all that. i don't know if she -- she kind of didn't know much about education policy at all and what she does know is about defunding public schools through vouchers. i'm not going to vote for her. >> good for you. let me ask you, that's news -- by the way, my wife played the national championship team, tennis team at stanford and she had to pay her way on away games, okay? that's how things were different back then. the guys got on the bus, the guys got on the plane. the women players on a national championship team had to pay their way. anyway, here's some of the fireworks from last night's confirmation hearing for a millionaire donor, nominee of secretary of education you've been mentioning, betsy devos. let's watch. >> you can't see definitively today that guns shouldn't be in scho