the community in billinge and saint helens, which has provided incredible support to the family and to discloses where the remains are? unless he discloses. i don't think that is an unreasonable ask. oh no, i mean nobody would think that is unreasonable to ask. i think it's a privilege for him even at that stage to be considered for parole, given his crime. one of the things about them not being released until they've said where the victim is is that — how do we know, how can you be sure that they won't go out and do the same thing again? but they will learn by the mistakes they made on the first time when they got charged. and this law, when it comes in, we'll talk about the timing in a moment because it is crucial for your case obviously, would also be relevant to paedophiles and i interviewed the parent of a child who believes they were sexually abused by vanessa george, the paedophile nursery worker recently. vanessa george was released last month without revealing which children she had abused, and this parent was absolutely tortured, the word you used, felt wretched that they did