span, billng on c- kristol made the observation that in the old days the parties used to be bigger thamesboth sides. they're much more ideologically given. on are both very interested the supremacy of ideas in the republican party, whether the simple conservatives are social conservatives are going to have the louder voice. what did you take away from the conversation? it sounds of like social conservatives are still trying to find their voice within the republican party. that he likee michelle bachmann, mike huckabee. it is looking less likely that these are not the top tier of republicans. many are not that republican national figures that fill that void. you could tell with the debate over gay marriage that they have the upper hand on that issue. you can see the challenges socialthe conservative movement. >> there is a party right now. there's one set of the party that believes they can win by subduing the conservative issues. a social conservatives believe the opposite. if you heard him talk about mitt and john mccain, he believes they could not win over social conservatives. it is tw