>> here with reaction fox news contributor joe trippy, billy cunningham is back with us. going to defend this mess? you going to defend every broken promise? it's not going to be cheaper. >> i am going to defend all of it. >> spin away. lie away. defend the lies. >> they're not lies. >> no? >> the fact of the matter is 300 million americans either have health insurance they will be able to keep or are for the first time -- >> 93 million americans can't keep the plan if they like their plan. >> they can. >> no, they can want. >> yes, they can. >> no, they can't. they are getting cancellation letters. >> 2 million are getting letters. >> >> tip of the iceberg. when it comes down to -- >> page 33,452 and the government predicts 6 #% of small business plans will be gone. 45% of large employer plans will relinquish grandfather status by 2014. that means you can't keep your uh plan. >> yes, you can. >> the president said you can. >> who's on first? >> i don't know. >> let me help. read my lips, no new taxes. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman monica lewinsky and

billy cunningham, a majority of independents think the president of the united states deliberately lied to them. >> he should have said yesterday, i am not a crook. i am not a crook. that's what he should have done. it was that bad. he blatantly lied because the code of federal regulations and a bunch of government statutes said in 10, 11, 12, there will be millions of americans who lose their health insurance. he lied to get it passed. >> all we are doing doink is saying he lied. are we going to look at the train wreck and say, oh, it's a train wreck, it's a train wreck. yes, sean. he lied. we can all agree with that. >> if the everything is predicated on a lie, why not restart the debate and have an honest one? >> let me finish. >> nobody's got one. >> that's funny. if you are free enterprise why of the 22 people you have, why isn't there one person, sean frrks the insurance companies to talk about it? today they said they do not want the policies reissued. >> that's not -- >> where is the free market speaking on this panel? >> i will give you what they said. i have the quote from the