. >> i remember looking at billy davis jr., it's like they're looking in a mirage, gladys knight, and they all said the same thing which somebody in the crowd had said that you interviewed, i never saw so many black people in one place, and gladys knight, she went out there, oh, my god, the people. and we heard that from one performer after another performer, it was a life changing experience. >> like, we take for granted now festivals. like there's coe which he will -- coachella. before the anyone of lollapalooza, '91. before then, besides live aid and foreign aid, and your occasional jazz festival, we can talk about dylan going electric at newport or whatever, but really if it's not folk music, if you're a black performer, if you're a motown, you're kind of doing the post vaudeville thing, barry, steve, diana, smokey. if you're james brown, who has his own singers and comedians, you could travel, but sort of like a revised version of ma rainey's traveling tent. but for a lot of black performers, if they're touring, like your