i came up listening to sarah vaughn, billy epstein, nat cole, all of my brothers and sisters who wereazzy kind of music, big band music. and the artists that i mentioned there. and so i listened to that in my living room and they were singing it. that's the main thing, they were singing it. they had quartets in my living room and i was looking up singing -- and didn't know i was not supposed to do that may -- that is what i mean by no choice. >> i'm laughing, because i am sure you really were doing that. >> i didn't know i was not supposed to say your lips were like a red and ruby -- warm and in the summer night, i would be 6 years old, and kind of to myself, i didn't want them to hear me and when i went down to the basement shoveling coal, we had a coal fire stove in the basement. oh, my goodness. so that's kind of what i mean by it being in your bones and the church was there, too, with its message, tavis, and so all of that is inside the music. and -- i'm glad for having no choice. and you know, i think in some kind of ways we are all born into stuff. that gives us no choice, that