i know you met recently with our friend billy graham, who has been a frequent guest on this show. know watches it every night. it's nice to know billy is out there, because he's special. how is he doing? >> you know, this last time we saw him, i thought he was doing better than ever. he's still just as kind and just as humble. you know, he was -- he moved around a little bit, bullet he's still sharp in his mind he. he misses his wife greatly, but he's got a good family around him. >> larry: franklin's doing well? >> he's doing great. >> larry: in the preacher's realm of thing when preachers talk, where is billy graham on the spectrum? >> billy graham is at the very, very top. he's a hero of faith. he was like oral roberts as well. but dr. graham is just his life of integrity, the way he finished strong. he's still encouraging people. he doesn't have to meet with people like me. he has other things to do, but he's so kind to encourage others. >> larry: do you like him, too? >> i like him so much. it's interesting when you talk to him he'll come whack to say what he's learned in life

>> billy graham is at the very, very top. he's a hero of faith. he was like oral roberts as well. ife of integrity, the way he finished strong. he's still encouraging people. he doesn't have to meet with people like me. he's got other things to do. he's so kind to encourage others. >> larry: do you like him, too? >> i like him so much. he always says what he learned in life and it's truly just to love people and just to be kind to people. it's interesting after you've lived this life -- and he didn't have it easy. people criticized him for doing good. he looks back on everything and he just says, you know, just love people. and i think that's a great legacy. >> larry: martin luther king said love the sinner, hate the sin. do you really live that? >> we really do. >> larry: do you love the sinner? >> i think so. you know, when you -- i really believe you can find something good in everybody. the scripture teaches you to see the best in people. don't see the worst. anybody can see the bad that they're doing, but if you can find one good thing in them -- and you realize they're create

include the film, the second chance, and the first authorized film documentary of the evangelist, billy graham, titled god's ambassador. he co-wrote and produced the film kabul 24 as well as co-authored the book you're hearing about today. ben pearson, over here, is an acclaimed film maker and photographer with numerous awards, ohioans and gal ri -- honors and gallery shows to his credit. ben is making his directorial debut with the feature-length documentary, kabul 24, and he shares author credit for the book that we're going to hear about today. so i'm going to turn it over to these gentlemen. thank you. [applause] >> thanks a lot. i guess i'll just kind of start by telling you folks where it all started for me. back in november of 2002 a dear friend of mine, dr. steven mansfield, who's an author called and said, hey, you remember the folks who were captured by the taliban before 9/11? i said, yeah, the two american girls. he goes, actually there were two american girls, germans and australians. the folks have been basically bombarded with requests from hollywood to do movies of the week, an