billy graham likes powerful people. because they would make the revivals much easier to accomplish and would seem more important than he was. with democrats and republicans alike so that was his downfall because he became too close to change his views to nixon's views. and then to defend that nixon administration. so then when the vietnam war came he was part of the people to blame for that. and also watergate. which he did not denounce early enough early enough of billy graham as foreshadowing of what happens after him. a larger-than-life figure but to organize that movement to make a marriage happen and to be known as the christian right and a lot of those figures and all of them come across the pages. so talk about that trajectory? so with that upsurge of fundamentalism in the south there is a second upsurge but the first in the south. and it happened with the industrialization and urbanization as the first one. so with that cultural disruption people were coming into the city's who have traditional evangelical leade

>> and billy graham daughter speaking out. let's go outfront. >> good evening i'm jim sciutto in for erin burnett tonight. possible obstruction of justice zbins the president of the united states. mr. trump returning from the world summit in davos, switzerland. the president back on home soil and facing tough questions about how deeply he interfered in the russia probe. those questions growing after revelations that trump ordered special counsel mueller to be fired in june. trump has made only one comment regarding the reports about mueller. >> did you fire mueller? >> fake news, guys. typical fake news. >> but it is not fake news. cnn has learned he ordered mueller firing last june. it didn't happen because don mcgahn refused to tell the department to do so because he disagreed with trump. two sources tell cnn that mueller wants to interview trump specifically focusing on the firing of james comey and michael flynn. is mueller now building an obstruction of justice case against the president? we know, according to "the washin

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joining me is billy graham from the billy graham evangelistic association. thank you so much. appreciate you joining us here on cnn. it's good to see you. >> thank you. >> so i want to ask you just about the because it's a one-year anniversary really within a few days of this president in office. >> right. >> aside from neil gorsuch's appointment which is a win, how would you rate his first year? >> well, i think this year has been good. you have to understand nobody gave him a snowball chance in hell to get where he is. the republicans certainly didn't believe he could make it and when he beat all of the 11 other rivals, the republican party had their mouth opened. they were just stunned. and then, of course, he goes into the election against hillary that he would win. so when he wins, he comes into the office with a republican party, very cool for him kind of reluctantly halfway, not even ha halfway supporting him. the democrats are united against him. for his first year, he's done a lot. look at the calm, this affects all of us, whether you are a jew, a christian, prosstant

so when contacting billy graham to ask for his help. and in a moderately progressive way he suggests that we do go very slowly. but eisenhower is insistent and to make integration possible medical in the book he goes a step further and says to the president for sending troops against american citizens since 1877. billy graham assured the president to say you could do that and use his support and interesting sideline that this will refrain our view. eisenhower established a committee to the government contracts to show nixon in charge so with those thousands of contracts they were able to provide corrective action 75% of those this is a powerful book for what we think we could and should do to treat all americans equally how hard that was and the things that happened in that lifetime that skipped a generation because of executive leadership civil rights and housing and with those efforts put forward to make that happen. [applause] >> it is great to be back in kansas city. with the kansas city public library that is recognized also i enjo

when i say we, the samaritan's purse, the billy graham jo evangelistic association. because we would not support him because of his position on abortion and same-sex marriage, we got audited by the irs. we got letters the same day saying we were going to have an audit that year and they came and audited us. and we passed the audit. but it was great inconvenience and it cost us a lot of money to prepare for the auditors to come into our office for the period of time they were here. we were targeted. by the obama administration. but that didn't stop me forfrom praying for the man. president obama did well, then all of us as american was do well. and so that would be good. and if president trump does well, all of us as americans will do well. so we need to pray for him and support him where we can. and all work together to move america forward. this dysfunction that is coming to washington where it's a dysfunction of hate. and it's almost anything the president says we have to hate him. we have to hate him. we have to fight him. this is just wrong this is so -- so wrong

you're a reverend, i want to play for you what reverend franklin graham, president and ceo of the billy graham evangelical association told me about these reports, here it is. >> did he have an affair with this woman? i have no clue. but i believe that 70 years of age, the president is a much different person today than he was four years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, whatever. and we just have to give the man the benefit of the doubt. he says he didn't do it, so okay, let's say he didn't do it. >> why do evangelicals keep giving the president a pass? >> i do not know. i think at the end of the day most evangelicals know, believe that they will have to give accounts to the almighty for whatever they've done here on the planet. so i would be very careful about what i said. just i wouldn't say things just to placate folks, i would be more interested in saying what's right and true and certainly stormy daniels probably has a story to tell, she's going to make a lot of money, she's had a row surgeance in fame. >> victoria, the president manages to remain unscathed here, to rick's point. you'v

billy graham, led the nation in prayer. prayer.said he was surprised by trump's victory. surprised by trump's victory. believe on election night he was supposed to lose. supposed to lose. showed him, notjust a little behind, way behind. behind, way behind. happened mysteriously that night of the election. the election. ijust believe it was god's hand. god's hand. star stormy daniels $130,000 to remain silent about an affair. remain silent about an affair. does donald trump fit your model of christian character? christian character? donald trump is a work in progress. a work in progress. does he fit your model of christian character? model of christian character? does he fit my model? no. mrgraham will preach at a christian event in blackpool. event in blackpool. islam is a wicked and evail religion. religion. derogatory towards the gay community and muslims. and muslims. preach against muslim, i don't preach against the gay community. preach against the gay community. the bible teaches it is between a man and woman. man and woman.

billy graham's son said, well, you know, when you get to be the age of 70, donald trump is a different than he was four years ago and he's much wiser now. so i do think there's the sense that as long as he's continuing to appoint conservative judges and goes and speaks live to the march of life rallies like he did last weekend, this president can get a pass on embarrassing his wife and doing pretty much almost anything. >> you mentioned franklin graham, that was part of an interview i conducted with him last week. let's play part of that and specifically what he responded when he asked about these reports. here it is. >> now, did he have an affair with this woman? i have no clue. but i believe that 70 years of age, the president is a much different person today than he was four years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, whatever. and we just have to give the man the benefit of the doubt. he says he didn't do it. so okay, let's say he didn't do it. >> why, alexi, do you think evangelicals keep giving the president a pass on the issue of moral character? is this unconditional support of d

what was so effective about billy graham's leadership was even though he was praying with presidents, he was not political. he didn't engage in this way. and you're saying -- there's a lot of heart break over the fact that there are people like franklin graham wlho are so supportive of someone and have a lack of character. you can forgive someone and still not want to see them as president. you can forgive someone and still they have to suffer the consequences of their actions. so we need to look at what actual forgiveness needs and the american people have to decide what kind of morality they want in the leadership and show up at the ballot box. >> if i can very quickly, the evangelicals stick to the gospels, use that as your guide and then be tough on republicans or democrats, it doesn't matter. but no double standard. judge them correspondingly. >> bill press and kirsten, thank you very much. >>> coming up in our next hour, the guest who says he has a simple test to see who is spinning and who's telling the truth when it comes to the government shutdown. only invisalign® clear alig

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you can clearly hear that from billy graham -- franklin graham, i should say, from tony perkins. just to be clear, so you see an inconsistency and hypocrisy here? >> i see an inconsistency -- >> why not hypocrisy. >> let me finish my point about pastors. i think pastors' jobs first and remost are to be pastors and not be in politics. when you start meddling i between, you'll have to start changing lines and narratives that fit. that's also the reason i don't like evangelicals to court o out and support candidates. >> tony perkins said something different in 2007 when it involved john edwards having an adulterous air fachlt he said, when it comes to presidents in particular, social conservatives think character is an issue. as harry truman once said, a man that will lie to his wife will lie to me and a man who will break his marriage oath will break his oath of office. >> i don't know what happened to that tony perkins. what's happened is, exactly to ben's point, these pastors and these men called to be leaders, their leadership should be to their flock first and to biblical princ

let's look at what franklin graham, president and ceo of billy graham er r evan gelistic association. >> this is just a news story and i don't even know if it's accurate. i don't know if it's hypocri hypocritic hypocritical, because he's a flawed man, for me to support him and pray for him. >> how do you think the president maintains the support of evangelicals? what's behind that from the evangelicals' perspective? >> it's quite extraordinary to me that he does enjoy that support and that someone like reverend graham, who comes from an extraordinary heritage of moral and ethical, not just behavior but also preaching, would give, as many have suggested, a mulligan to trump. and on the stormy daniels front, that's really between trump and his wife and stormy daniels. of course the fact that they asked for a nondisclosure agreement suggests they don't want her to talk which raises the issue, what don't they want her to talk about. so that in itself is an indictment. but again, it's between those people. but what does bother me is that in the christian community, in the christian teachin

second in private he supposedly allegedly says one curse word and suddenly the left takes to the billy grahamrusades, where did that come from. mike: what about the comment made by house leader nancy pelosi, talking about people with an immigration deal. >> five white guys i call them. you hope a hamburger stand next or what? >> so the five guys joke seemed to fall flat in the room. your thoughts, chris? >> that's just-- that's the perfect example, mike of what we're talking about. if you want to talk about race, you know, trump says, s-hole countries and that's a racist term suddenly and she specifically says five white guys. she invokes race. if ever there was racism on display in an off the cuff remark, it's miss pelosi, not the president. mike: and the assumption here, chris, is that late next week congress will punt again, meaning a short measure. how do that play outside the beltway. >> that's grist for the mill. i think most of us expect that's probably what will happen. folks that listen to this show and i speak for myself, what nobody wants is to colina daca bill business. where ever

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billy graham was pro choice in the 1970s when we talked to him about abortion as was dr.wall of the southern baptist convention. evangelicals went from sending medical teams to haitis with the samaritan's purse which franklin graham started to defending aa man who called people living in black countries and brown countries, people living in shit hole countries. this is the same guy who said there were some good nazi's watching. again, it's the frog getting boiled to death. evangelicals switched from being who advocated to traditional reality to the chief american defenders of not only relativistic morality but all that used to be considered sacred trashed. they're defending a man who trashed fidelity in his own life and with the words he speaks nationally. they have trashed truth telling and have embraced this idea of everything being fake news they disagree with. they've even trashed common decency. what we're now watching, joy, as kind of an appendage of the trump presidency is one of the greatest downfalls of a religious order, if you want to put it that way, we've eve

joining us now is reverend franklin graham, president of samaritan's purse and the billy great peoplend. >> thank you. it's a privilege to be with .ou rachel: this has been a big year for anybody who cares about religious liberty in america and abroad. tell us what this first year has meant for you and your followers followers. >> well, first of all, i'm just grateful to the president. i find him to be an honest person, i find him to be a person who concerned about the religious freedoms of americans, but not just us here in this country, but he's concerned about religious freedom of people in other countries. and so i applaud what he has done this first year. even though he has been attacked since day one. and the left is trying to destroy this man. it's almost like we're in the middle of a digital coup. and that's what it is, it's a digital coup d'etat. they're wanting to force him out of office. they're wanting to take control of the government. and we need to pray for this man man. as a christian i want to do all that i can to support him. he's our president. whether you voted for