and you have this, and billy holliday and strange fruit.sic has fundamentally both reflected who we want to be, but also, it has shaped who we want to be. the idea that art isn't political is crazy. >> i love the examples you give. the intersection. we'll play this for ice cube. his response and then your historic perspective. we've covered a lot of how the establishment, which some people would call white america, was really united and bipartisan in its response. where it was to nwa or a lot of other artists. so we have this together. take a is politicians respondin to a range of rap music, including that that was critical of the police. take a look. >> a line has been crossed, not just of taste but of human dignity and decency. >> the kind of hatred that you do not honor today. >> songs about killing policemen and rejecting law. >> if you took the words white and black and reversed them, you might think david duke was giving that speech. >> the last line an attack on sister soldier who had criticized police brutality. as i often say, ice

shabbat but we cook a lot on shabbat and we often use the timer, and sometimes we'll say play billy hollidaycertain music we listen to on shabbat and have made that exception and i've thought about it. it is an exception we make and i think it's because it's not pulling us out of what we're doing, but it's a little bit of a gray area for sure and i have more and more -- i remember my husband was given a video version of -- i'm like, no, keep it out of the house and then the more i -- that might lead -- we have had a lot of conversations about internally and if have beside asked the book. that's our one exception and i know it's gray but for us it's just kind of helping us ago and it's not like this outside world interjecting with us. but it's great. i think everyone is going to -- i a friend of mine who teaches me guitar is can i till tune my guitar because my tuning app is on me phone or in a pandemic you want to say they make sure to zoom their mother and aunt a couple times and when you're in that situation i would say yes. just say what i have found is like the boundary. like -- i'm not

billy holliday, echoing through if with her generous, baldwin understand musicians mean the world to. >> absolutely, that's -- i was thinking but that line an as an to maya. in the space of the assassination of dr. king, they murdered an apostle of love, and jimmy collapses, could barely pick up the pieces, tries to commit suicide in '69, has to find relationships collapsing around him. still thinks he is this loveless child who is ugly because hi daddy told hill he was so ugly that diabout believe anybody could love that ugly little boy. finds himself in istanbul, trying to figure out how to speak to this moment, and there he gives utterance to this line, this formulation, that doc just laid out. hope is invented every day. >> every day. that's real, brother. that's real. >> a necessary practice that we in fact are the hope. it is our commitment to showing up that is the hope. that is the model. that is the approximate of witness, and just so right so often. >> sister maya, all the courage and risk and willingness to be crushed and misunderstood and misconstrued and purely pushed to

we wake up every morning to the heartache that billie holliday sung about. i've got pure joy today.ue with eddie glaude, i'm ready to fight and go down swinging. >> fantastic. and eddie's book timed perfectly with so much but also with something that happened in his home state and a state that i grew up in when i was younger where they voted to get rid of the flag, which was the last one in the u.s. that featured the confederate emblem. let's bring in anjanou ellis, an emmy nominated actress and an activist who lives in mississippi and who took up the cause to get mississippi to change its flag. very big week for you and the people of mississippi. how did it happen? >> well, first of all, i just want to say thank you for having me this morning. thank you for letting a mississippian speak about mississippi. i can't believe i'm in the presence of all these mississippians this morning. i'm very excited about that. it is a victory. it is a bittersweet victory. a victory occasion by the murder and torture of george floyd. i think it is important in this conversation about what happens no