one night at the biltmore hotel in new york i remember particularly learning.it was an epiphany for me because he started talking about, this must've been after the seventh martini. i only had to. he started talking about the loss of a sense of wildness, the loss of a sense of our relationship to nature, the loss of the sense that that is really the root of the problem, that we need to somehow recover that again. we need to get people to understand that. and then he started talking about the experience of commie he said there was a fire. in those days there was a fireplace in that room and he said the experience of sitting and looking at this fire, we have to relive the experience is exactly the same experience as human beings had two dozen years ago or 5000 years ago for a gas 10,000 years ago. he said we are experiencing exactly what they experienced except theirs is in another kind of context and ours is out of context and so it's hard for us to understand that. but to me that was like a wake up and a way of looking at the world of the relationships in natur