teen really created the organization that bin laden was ahead of. >> host: in their storytelling, bin laden is a decisive character who governs and holds rather tightly to the decision-making. in yours an come he's not a decisive come and in fact he plays a much more significant role. on this issue of decision-maki decision-making, for example, around the targets to behave and who were the personalities involved, they say that when they got back in touch with bin laden and said he can't fly, he's a risk, take him out, bin laden says no, he stays with the team. does that make sense to do was cut the slice decisive of the character and they didn't want the attacks to go forward and bin laden would have been strong enough or is this the character we ought to be looking out on this side of the? >> guest: he's a visionary leader in many respects. .. >> >> and the palestinians were furious they would round up their ambassadors and expelled them to their home countries and bin law then had to go from khartoum people then go back to saddam that was a telling moment because they were real terr

bin laden. >> the picture was still fuzzy-- i mean, it was by no means sharp-- that there was an emerging global islamic fundamentalist terrorist network that was becoming more and more engaged in the objective of attacking american targets. >> when yousef fled from the trade center bombing in 1993, among the places he went, really right before he was apprehended in pakistan, was to the philippines, where he was mixing the bombs to blow up, you know, 12 jumbo jets in a 48-hour period and was not far away from at least attempting to carry out that plot, which would have resulted in thousands of deaths in two days. >> narrator: from the beginning, o'neill obsessed about the details of the ramzi yousef case. he dug into that plan to blow up the planes, known as the bojinka plot. investigators had found a connection with the world trade center bombing that led to yousef's co-conspirator, ahmad ajaj, and a terrorist training manual with a title that would translate into "al qaeda"-- "the base." they

bin laden. >> my camera men and myself traveled with bin laden into -- >> a year ago bin laden took refuge the only country in the world that will accept him. >> for his first television interview he figured he'd have a world audience. >> mr. bin laden you've declared a gee yaud against the united states. can you tell us why? >> the arrogance of united states regime reached a point where they reached arabia. >> what are your future plans? >> translator: you'll see them and hear about them in the media, god willing. >> on the eighth anniversary of the u.s. deployment in saudi arabia, bin laden bombed two agencies in north america. >> the building behind the embassy crumbled into a tangle of concrete and steel, turning the sidewalk red with blood. people on board incinerated. >> almost 450 miles away, another deadly blast. >> simultaneous attacks become the hallmark of al qaeda demonstrating its power. >> the death toll stands at 210, 5,000 people injured. >> this attack is sophisticated and coordinated. this was an enemy we were not prepared for. >> i went to kenya, i also wen to tanzania t

. >> in old centuries, when there was an islamic state, someone like osama bin laden declaring jihad on their own would be in jail. you can't do that. now that there is no islamic state and no empire, osama bin laden and his allies are projecting themselves as a new interest and new killer. >> militant jihadis want to drive infidels, anyone out of the lands where islam reigns for centuries. >>. >> the real objective of the jihadist is to take back of planet earth and reestablish it. >> they are being invaded and occupied by nonmilitants. when they talk about islam, they mean all the lands that have been a part of islam. >> the professor of near eastern studies at the university and one of the world's foremost little east scholars. >> it is the duty of every able-bodies male to participate. it is collective. it is an obligation. >> today's leaders, osama bin laden, hezbollah shakes and an iranian president called themselves jihadists. they claim they are following the path of the founder and his companions who established the first islamic state some 600 years after jesus. muslims bel

bin laden dies in chapter 23. >> ey, thank you.ions because we are pressed for time. the first one is going to come from this gentleman here. >> so, i'm so proud to call you a friend. i've known you. you're in the those patriotic region in the entire country. [applause] >> i want to thank you both for your patriotism and service to our country. we're forever indebted. i'd like to tell a great story about how to turn a mistake into a positive and has to do with door knock. if you would share that story, identity appreciate it. >> a funny story, thank you for bringing at up. we're big believers that everybody fails and if you accept failure, you learn from it. a great learning tool. what this quote of the day, against decisions come from experience and bad -- an experience comes from bad decisions. but we learn something, mission we win on. don't blow up and pick a lock and sneak in. we're learning -- one time we were sneaking up on a target in iraq, trying to be quiet, and people started moving around in the house. so they know some

he introduced adam to bin laden. shortly after the death of his grandfather in 1998, adam disappeared in pakistan. a year later, he was arrested in pakistan and imprisoned in jordan, suspected of terrorist activities. back in california, his brother defended him, calling him a family man. he declined the request for an interview, but said his brother is dead and any questions won't help anything now. after being released in may 2001, some reports say he was killed for collaborating and others claim he was killed by soldiers in a raid in 2005. no one knows for sure. he is president of west coast islamic story and works for the state of california for the substances control. he said his brother's troubles haunts his family. just four days ago they charged adam with treason. >> it is not a crime only against the american people, but against america itself. >> the case is very important. he is now the spokesperson for al qaeda for north america. what happened at the conversion so that after the conversion he feels he has

we did not hear that since osama bin laden died, we did not hear that since 9/11. palestine, if we don't live in peace in palestine, you will never know peace in america and in the west, well, that's something bin laden said himself. but also we did not hear that in how long? long, long time ago. he talks about stealing the weament to have -- wealth of the muslim world. what's happening in syria? murderers of of assad regime and the russians which he said that we are doing attacks in the west because you're supporting them, you're supporting. that's the only thing he added and frankly cannot mention -- he cannot not mention syria. he's bringing back the original message of osama bin laden and i talk about his character, i talk about his childhood. he was a poster child for al-qaeda. in the early days, if you look at old video tapes he's always saying fiery speeches, poems when he was a kid, he's training and told his father, father, when i was in jail i learned a lot and you're going to be proud of me. i learned about this, i learned about that but now i feel forge

we have a lot of bin laden forces headed to iraq. and so, this, i think, is going to be our growing challenge moving forward and this ideology is, again, with us in our lifetime. but i hope that we can move forward and get back to a place we were before 1979. >> mr. chairman, thank you for your steadfastness and optimism, it's a combination that will ultimately prevail for the nation. we have a chance to hear from the leaders of the project, governor tom cain and lee hamilton, people who truly do not need introduction. i believe through the wonders of the internet, we hope to have congressman hamilton joining us remotely. chairman, thank you for joinings us. [applause] >> also, one of the lo longstanding members join us, and you all know who the former deputy director of 9/11 commission, currently international affairs in elliott schools and george washington. and great friend of the bbc. >> i can't hear. >> all right. thank you all and great thanks, of course, to the--

al qaeda, bin laden, we are looking at large-scale plots, very complex operations and didn't use cell phones. now we have a new generation of terrorism. [inaudible] a new generation that knows how to exploit the internet to recruit, to train and radicali radicalize. we have seen this profoundly and it is one of the greatest challenges we have. in 2014, 15, 16, about the time i wrote my book and i'd walk out of my classified briefing room in the capital and it was terrifying about the tempo and the numbers of arrests in the number of plots. as the caliphate was growing in iraq in syria, in mosul and in rocca we were seeing people who was a master, a master on the internet with 150 different twitter handles and it went from the kinetic threat and we were looking at foreign fighters they were training and rack in syria and going into europe which is still a major threat to europe. i would say europe is still in the pre- 911 posture and they are starting to stand up to protect themselves but the idea of the foreign fighters coming in to the united states was at that time a paramount focus

always cause was was you know bin laden was funded and trained by the us i mean this you know he was our guy the mujahideen fighting the soviets. i don't see how you can blame this on obama. well this isn't i think our foreign policy has been going we need to take the mujahideen people who had been our allies people who we had trained and helped in assisted. yeah bin laden and we have a habit of just playing switch over in the middle east and charlie wilson's war i suppose that the problem that i've really got with our foreign policy and the reason it's been perhaps so disastrous is because we haven't had a stable hand a stable again if you like it it continues to change you know reagan gave us a stable hand through the cold war and i don't think we've had that stability since then so we're constantly changing you know we're going after this country we're bombing that country and making this country and what point time are we going to have a single cohesive goal for how we want the world to low. and i think the lack of that is why we have some of your audio we see we need such a thin

would fund the groups linked to saudi born a sum of bin laden and of course sixteen years ago today bin laden would carry have an attack on the united states both nine eleven is of the product arguably of a system that according to one academic can and must be replaced humans have a fundamental. the rate for the free creative work. to drool be any kind of. domination mr servant. of the poor simply really should only a nice or true lucian is going to have to justify. but if he could be dismantled the groups were free cooperative we're just. talking you know i'm from ski there in the new film accidental anarchist is the former u.k. diplomat collin ross he saw the nine eleven two thousand and one attacks first hand and he's the founder and executive director of consultancy independent diplomat thanks so much for coming on the show good just to see you again so we know that within minutes of the nine eleven attacks in washington the new york the so-called deep state which are getting so much as open ludden as iraq just take us back to what it was like you saw it they attack first and i didn

he's bringing back the original message from osama bin laden. i talk about his character, i talk about his childhood. he was a poster child for a qaeda. in the early days if you look at the old days of al qaeda he's always giving these fiery speeches and poems when he was a kid. he trained with the mujahideen and he told his father, father when i was in jail i learned a lot and you were going to be proud of me. i learned about death but now i'm ready to march with the allegiance of the mujahideen under your command. he wanted only two people to come and join him, his wife who is a ph.d. older than him and she has only one son. his wife was not just a wife. she was his adviser. she was his wordsmith. he wanted her to come there because he missed his wife after she had been in jail in iraq. he wanted her to come any threatened his commander, if you don't bring her here i will myself go after her and bring her here. they said this guy lost his mind. what do you mean? but then you know why he wanted her to basically work on his statesman on the end

and bin laden become as movement. interesting we're seeing russia back in the reejon for the first time in syria primarily to have the ports in syria but also to maintain their dominance. i think so much of this, as i study it and that's when the western educated egyptian that came back and the prisons in egypt. om omar gaddafi was -- this was the change in history that gave a second wave to this sort of jihadist movement that has its roots back to 6 century a.d. and president of egypt, alceasy, they were worried about muslim brother hood and releasing the prisons, which they did at that time. joy another wave of these people out here. that has fuelled the fire. and you cannot take this back in time now. we have to move forward. there's a new crown prince that will be king with saudi. i think we're making great strides with the arab world. qatar is still ally with iran. the crescent moon and that being iran and iraq and syria and lebanon all under the -- they are filling that vacuum, iran is. and we talk a lot about t

we've had bin laden forces in iran. this is going to be that growing challenge, moving forward and this ideology is again with us in our lifetime. i hope that we can move forward and get back to the place we were before 1979. >> i want to thank you for your steadfastness and optimism. we now have a chance to hear from the leaders of this project. keane and lee h. hamilton. they need no introductions. sergeant hamilton is joining us locally. chairman, thank you so much for joining us. [laughter] -- [applause] >> the former chair and vice chair of the 9/11 commission. they discuss counterterrorism measures put in place since 9/11 and the role everyday citizens have been stopping potential threats. this is minutes. i would let to start -- i with, whento start you were working on the commission report, did you expect that fighting terrorism would still be going on? 15 years after 9/11. >>

after we killed osama bin laden, a new form of the same threats emerged. like its predecessor in afghanistan, isis developed a centralized command to order attacks outside of its false califet in iraq and syria. we witnessed its work in paris. on november 13th, 2015, a group of suicide bombers and gun men dispatched by raqqa committed a series of six coordinated attacks. they targeted a soccer stadium, caves and restaurants, and a theater during a rock concert. 100 people were killed including 89 alone and another 400 injured. a new threat has arisen. tloi terrorist attacks are being carried out by individuals in small krecells. these smaller scale individually planned attacks often involve soft targets like hotels, tourist resorts and cultural sites. we've seen this deadly new trend across the world. places like berlin, london, manchester and nice. we've also seen it closer to home. think of orlando and san bernardino. so what accounts for this rise of terrorism? i think there's two factors at work. first, isis is losing. they're crumbling. with support f

fast-forward to 2014, after we killed osama bin laden and degraded al qaeda is central leadership, a new form of the same threat emerged. like its predecessor in afghanistan isis develop a centralized command to order attacks outside of its false caliphate in iraq and syria. we witnessed its work in paris. on november 13, 2015, a group group of suicide bombers and gunmen dispatched by raqqa committed a series of six coordinator attacks. the targeted a soccer stadium, cafÉs and restaurants, and a theater during a rock concert at 100 people were killed, including 89. 89. nearly 400 others were injured. yet alongside these and other centrally planned plots, new threat has arisen. terrorist attacks increasingly are being carried out by individuals in small cells who are inspired by isis and al qaeda, but who are not acting on the groups orders. they are self-directed. these smaller scale individually planned attacks often involve soft targets, like hotels, tourist resorts and cultural sites but we've seen this deadly new trend across the world, places like berlin, jakarta, london, manche

. >> the taliban was sheltering bin laden. >> the only way to deal with these terrorist threats is too where their exist. >> the targets, the air military, air defense systems, air fields and war planes. >> we went into afghanistan as a way of self-defense, as a way of targeting terrorism. the u.s. pushed the taliban out rather quickly. the leadership of the afghan taliban mostly fled into pack stn, in the area just over the border from afghanistan. >> in less than two months the taliban army had been destroyed and the taliban government replaced with transitional leaders eager to work with the west. >> at the time the basic policy was not to let the tallben come back. so it was a massive international effort to try to rebuild afghanistan, which had been been a very poor under developed country before it had 20 odd years of war. >> it had been through the soviet invasion, civil war and then the time of the taliban. it's as if their souls have been ripped out. >> it's almost inconceivable to americans how shattered this country is. >> people say it's medieval there. and it's not mediev

is there a hunt on the way for bin laden's son. >> daily, every day. my team is working diligently to bring them to justice. >> bret: any positive signs? >> if i were them, i would count my days. >> bret: barack obama ran for reelection on al qaeda on the run. he called isis -- to the u.s. intelligence assessments support the claims as they were making them? >> no, the estimate of isis has always been they posed a serious threat. it's never been the case that this was a second-tier threat. in fact, there have never been as many foreign fighters in any one place as there are in syria today. in the heyday of al qaeda, they weren't as many foreign fighters. there is still a lot of work to do. >> bret: the territory is less for isis but the strength or its lethality is stronger. >> the capacity to do a complex attack in the united states is diminished as a result of the pressure we put on them. but we see this around the world. we see it in europe, the threat here in the united states of these localized actors inspired by or working alongside isis figures

congress this year to see where the one major problem lie is lest we forget who helped train osama bin laden in the first place the cia with the support of the us government used bin laden and supported his endeavors against the soviet union in afghanistan they called him a warrior they helped him build the organization that would lead or be known as al qaeda all to crush the soviet union we taught bin ladin and associates how to run it disintegration of war campaign against the superpower and yet we still wonder how al qaeda and its many competitors have managed to stay afloat perhaps it's things like five hundred. dollars the u.s. spent in bosnia between one thousand nine hundred two and one thousand and five training and equipping rebels or the sixty four million dollars training georgian rebels from two thousand and one to two thousand and four or may be need be it was more than half a billion dollars the u.s. spent training and arming rebels in syria who have ties to numerous al qaeda affiliates you know we all want justice sixteen years ago we did and as we brushed the asked for ash fr

battle is legitimize the opponent in a curious way because bin laden and the others wanted a war and we gave them a war when in fact after nine eleven there was a choice of whether we treated the perpetrators of that horrific attack as criminals or legitimate fighters and incensed by in a sense by declaring a war on terror we legitimize the enemy if you see what i mean the attacks you opposed to afghanistan when it was pretty dangerous as you've written about what does it make you feel that the hundreds of british soldiers still there in afghanistan and all jumpers escalated fifteen thousand of us soldiers in afghanistan today. what is going on today is the logical continuation of a policy that has been going on for a long time under previous administrations too but evidently it's a failed policy taliban is increasing its territorial control in afghanistan clearly there needs to be a discussion with the taliban if that conflict is ever to come to an end because the current balance of forces suggest there is going to be endless conflict in afghanistan which is a horror show and nobody

david: let's look at what bin laden was trying to do. some people say he was just a religious zealot out to kill people. i happen to think that he had a lot of political goals, that he was a political actor as well. he wanted to challenge the whole nationstate system put in place by colonial powers in the middle east. he really wanted to create this clash of civilizations between what he believed was the muslim community and the west. and he wanted to impose a big economic cost on the united states for its role of interventionism in the u.s. and you can look at all these goals, and 15 years later, maybe some progress has been made on some of those things. is this movement that al qaeda started, is it succeeding or is it being pushed back? is it failing? >> the features of bin laden's goals show up in some of the papers recovered out of nevada. i think the picture you lay out is a valid one. there has been tremendous strife and division amongst the movement itself. the very nature of isis comes from a schism with al qaeda central. but in

after we killed osama bin laden and degraded al qaeda es's central leadership, a new threat of the same threat e emergencied. like its predecessor in afghanistan, isis developed a centralized command to order attacks joupt side of its false caliphate. we witnessed its work in paris. on november 13th, 2015, a group of suicide bombers and gunmen dispatched by raqqah committed a series of six coordinated attacks. they targeted a soccer stadium, cafes and restaurants, and the bataclan theater during a rock continue ert. 100 people were killed including 9 at the bataclan alone. nearly 400 others were injured. yet alongside these and other centrally planned plots a new threat has arisen, the terrorist attacks increasingly are being carried out by individuals in small cells inspired by isis and al qaeda but who aren't act ong the group's orders. they're self-directed. these smaller-scale, individually planned attacks often involve soft targets like hotels, tourist resorts and cultural sites. we of soon this deadly new trend across the world, places like berlin, jakarta, london, manchester, and

. ♪ >> the taliban must turn over osama bin laden and must destroy the terrorist camps.wise, there will be a consequence. >> a spokesman for the taliban denies afghanistan allowed bin laden to strike from its territory. >> good afternoon. on my orders, the united states military has begun strikes against a taliban regime in afghanistan. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm as close to these people as anyone in my own family and in some ways closer. these are my 11 best friends in the world. that's how i feel. >> no. >> this one. >> this is us in afghanistan. >> i mean, and we were in, you know, some harsh -- >> we were probably in the extremest combat environment as you can fathom. it tested you in every way, physically, mently, emotionally. >> we are it. when you need the army, we are the vanguard, the spearhead, the praetorian. >> 15 years. >> wow. since vietnam. >> yeah. >> we're talking about people, you know, as a unit we've been deployed doing some pretty crazy crap. wow. you get into a unit like this and that's what you do. that's your game. >> i've been in the military now 30 years. tha

. >> and so let's take a look at what bin laden was trying to do. some people say he was just a religious zealot, out to kill people. but i happen to think he was -- had a lot of political goals, that he was a political actor, as well. he wanted to challenge the whole nation's state system that had been put in place by colonial powers in the middle east. he really wanted to create this clash of civilizations between what he believed was a muslim community and the west. and he wanted to really impose a big economic cost on the united states for its role and interventionism in the u.s. and you could look at each of those goals and say he's made -- 16 years later, maybe some progress has been made on some of those things. so how do you -- is this movement that al qaeda started -- is it succeeding, or is it being pushed back? is it failing? >> so i think that, you know, the features of -- or bin laden's goals you laid out, those are all fair, and they show up in some of the papers coming that were covered out of the raid of abbottabad. you know, i think

it turns out we overthought bin laden. bin laden's ideas have survived his death. and 77 people in this country after the death of anwar awlaki were found to have his videos in their suppose. killing all ideas is hard. killing people can be tricky. can you make the argument, great, worst person in the world to al qaeda you would find al zawahiri. a charisma-free boor, who is disliked by people in his organization. great, he continues to run it , al qaeda central into the , ground. we get too hung up on that. if baghdadi died tomorrow clearly they thought this one , through. you had to deal with this to the extent can you talk about , it publicly. what can you say? joshua: just on the wmd issue. this strikes me as one of the reasons why addressing safe safe havens remains important. you can never please everyone category. over the past couple months some commentary, how much does it matter isis helped held mosul anyway? it seems to me it matters for , various reasons. the message is something more credible if you have territory to hold and point to. another is becau

did you read about bin laden's son? >> i did. >> sean: i think you saw some of his kids.cular remember him? do you remember if he was there that day is he is going to yune these terrorists? ros his younger son, hamza was not there, his older brother kalid was there. we took care of him quickly. that's the same fate hamza is going to reach. we've got men and women looking for him and it's a bad day when we find him. if that's all they have is a kid because we've hit al qaeda hard and it is the same ideology that isis has, that al shabab have, uniting under this radicalized version of islam. they're scraping for something. he's going to rattle the sabre but he's not be going to do much. >> sean: rob, you did a great service along with all the members of seal team six. none of you knew you were coming back. great heroism and the people that fought in afghanistan and iraq and those that came back with the most severe injuries. debra burlingame. lost her brother 9-11-2001. you have become such a powerful voice against radicalism. we're seeing the impact naive as north korea if

the documents that were recovered from bin laden's compound talk very clearly how bin laden saw in the wake of a.q.'s defeat in iraq, they had a real branding problem. he wanted to change the way they were perceived. and i think that between 2011 and now, they have done so within the region. so why do we get these things wrong? i think one answer is just misperceptions on our part. if you look at our own policies have, of course, at times made this problem worse as opposed to better. i would say that two of our foreign misadventures have been a real problem -- the iraq war and the libya war. in both of those i think there were clear misperceptions on our part. for iraq, the assessment about iraqi w.m.d.'s is very well-known. i think in libya we put less attention on our own misperceptions that helped to contribute to that conflict. specifically i think if we appreciated to the degree to which jihadism was going to benefit from the arab uprisings we would have been far more hesitant to go to war in a country that stood in the middle of two others who had just experienced revolutions. i

son yesterday, hamza bin laden, calling on people to not- - to not leave the fight and to do attacks where they are. so it's something of great concern to us, something that we follow every day, and something we believe we have prepared for as well as we can. >> mason: john miller, deputy commissioner of the new york city police department. thanks. in addressing another threat today, president trump said u.s. options for dealing with north korea are "effective and overwhelming." last night, the north fired another missile over japan. david martin reports this act of defiance marks a big advance. >> reporter: until now, north korea had tested its intermediate and intercontinental range missile from fixed launch pads. this time, for the first time, an intermediate range missile was launched from a mobile transporter, a significant development, since it enables kim jong-un to fire a long-range weapon with little or no warning. in this case, though, spy satellites had seen the missile being rolled into position at an airfield near pyongyang, well before the actual launch. as if kim was d

joining us now the man that killed osama bin laden, author of the best seller "the operator."o'neill. every time at this time of year, rob, i play on my radio show michael w. smith's song and we intersperse the audio from news reports and the towers hit, the next tower is hit. the field in pennsylvania, every time i hear it, it brings me back like it's yesterday. you had the unique opportunity to kill the guy responsible. do you ever reflect on that? >> first of all, thank you for having me on the anniversary of such a special day and just like you, i hear those things and brings you right back and it is surreal how fast time flies. you asked me -- i can close my eyes and see my team going up the stairs to get bin laden and remember the feeling of what it is like to know we're facing death ourselves but it is worth it for the innocent people that died in the towers and the first responders that went there, the people on flight 93 in pennsylvania and the people in the pentagon. again, i was down there today at the 9/11 memorial. it is always incredible to go there. i like to go

the thought of god documents recovered from bin laden's compound talked very clearly about how bin laden saw the defeat in iraq, they had a real problem. he wanted to change the way that they were perceived. between 2011 and now, they havee done so within the region. why do we get these thingsblem wrong? one answer is misperceptions on our part. our policies have of course at times made this problem worse as opposed to batter. i would say that two of our adventures have been a real very problem. the iraq war and olivia were. both of those they think they were clear of misperceptions on our part. iraq is the assessment about iraqi wmds is very well known. i think it would be a, we put less attention on their owne misperceptions that hope contribute to that conflict. specifically, if we had appreciated the degree to which jihadis were going to go to benefit with the arab uprisings, we would've been far more hesitant to go to war in a country that's in the middle of two others who just experience revolution. i think there is no question that the gadhafi regime has made this harder for tunis

bin laden is gone and the evil men with him are gone. we thrive. god bless america. on irma, as hurricane irma continues to bucket florida our thoughts and prayers are with the people of florida. i and the democratic caucus stand ready to work with the majority leader and hisco caucu to provide them with the resources they need just as we were able to speedily pass an aid package after harvey i expect we will come together to support and rescue recovery efforts in light of irma and other disasters particularly the fires out west. on ndaa, finally mr. president, this week we will begin consideration of the national defense authorization act as we do each year. there are hundreds of amendments that have been filled. a lot of issues to consider. we democrats want to work in a constructive and productive manner to process as many of these amendments as possible and work through even the most difficult of issues. i know chairman mccain and ranking member reed have an excellent working relationship and a great deal of respect for one another. i hope they can build a strong

taliban were sheltering bin lad laden. >> the only way to deal with these terrorist threats is to go after them where they exist. >> air defense system commanding control bunkers. >> wewent in to afghanistan as a way of self defense as a way of preventing terrorism. the leadership of the afghan taliban mostly fled into pakistan in the area just over the border from afghanistan. >> in less than two months the taliban army had been destroyed and the taliban government replaced with transitional leaders eager to work with the west. >> at the time the basic policy was not to let the taliban come back. so there was a massive international effort to help rebuild afghanistan which had been a poor undeveloped kunchltry before it had had 20 some odd years of war. >> it had had been through the soviet invasion, sivlt war and then the time of the taliban and it's as if their soul had had been ripped out. >> almost inconceivable to americans how shattered this country was. >> the common phrase was it's not medieval, it was very primitive. >> so the economy was destroyed. and pop as had had alway