bin laden is in that house.re going to get him. >> almost 3,000 people were killed on september 11, 2001. and the hunt for terrorist who masterminded the attacks began that day. it would be long and frustrating. u.s. military and intelligence officers chased a decade's worth of tips and clues to one dead end after another, but they never game up, my new book, countdown bin laden. tells gripping story. it begins with a lead that would put one navy seal face-to-face with the world's most wanted man. >> we were having a general staff meeting on a number of issues, when we came to the end the group that was involved with the then bin laden hunt held back and said we have to brief you on something. >> leon panetta was director of central intelligence agency, cia bin laden team told him about a fortress in abada bag, pakistan. >> they said, it has 18 foot walls on one side. 12 walls on another side, a 7 to 8 foot wall on third floor. of this compound. >> what made it noteworthy of the owner, a man -- a courier for bin

it's called "countdown bin laden."o get bin laden all the events leading up to it and the night of and all the daring and the risk associated with that. before we get into that, we're coming up on the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks this saturday, and we're watching the recent withdraw from afghanistan and the chaos in its wake of america leaving and we know why bin laden is an avatar of evil for us, and we know why we went into afghanistan, the so-called even at the time, "the good war" because there was a rationale unlike iraq which was questionable. so that's 2001 we go in, the book picks up in 2010. set the stage, what was happening in those 9 years when we weren't getting bin laden. when that was our mission to begin with. >> well, after we came in, in 2001 and ousted the taliban, and the idea they were in control of the country, i think to most americans it's horrifying. >> stephen: it feels strange to see that happening. it really is. it's disheartening to see that happening. >> you bet. myself, we didn't d

bin laden. biden told you that america is back. it doesn't see that way does it, it looks like america is gone. in the taliban is back joining me now is someone who knows the killing of osama bin laden he's the host of "fox news sunday" and the best-selling author whose new book countdown bin laden the untold story of the 247 day hunt to bring a mastermind of 9/11 to justice on tuesday. chris wallace. >> thank you so much for having me. >> is there a meaningful distinction, you're an expert on these matters but for us normal viewers between the taliban, al-qaeda and isis. >> there is definitely a distinction that the al-qaeda obviously was the group of the islamic jihadists that perpetrated 9/11. isis is a rival group in the taliban is a rival group allied with al-qaeda but at odds with isis. i've got to tell you something that is in my new book and told for the first time goes directly to your point about joe biden. you know how i fear for bob gates the defense secretary wrote in his memoir tha

but osama bin laden never forgot.n afghanistan as a guest of religious extremists called the taliban, who took over after the soviet withdrawal. and, in his mountainous safe haven, bin laden was embolden. if a cowboy from texas and the cia could arm a bunch of islamists with guided missiles and defeat the soviet union, perhaps he could bring down the united states. with guide aircraft. for most americans, 9/11 seemed to come out of nowhere. a sucker punch, master minded by a man they'd never heard of. blow fwrak a covert war most americans never knew happened. but 9/11 woke a slumbering giant. >> usa! usa! >> i can hear you, the rest of the world hears you. and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> 9/11 was less a failure of intelligence and more a failure of imagination. >> admiral james debridis fought in haiti and iraq and became nato's supreme allied commander. >> we couldn't imagine that a primitive foe, operating from an ungoverned space in afghanistan could have the sophistica

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s primary target, osama bin laden, had vanished.was believed to be hiding in the mountain stronghold of tora bora. a small contingent of american forces joined afghan fighters there. >> those of us on the ground, you know, a few dozen international reporters, we far outnumbered the number of american special forces and, and c.i.a. who were on the ground there. there was a bigger journalistic contingent at tora bora than there was american fighting force. (explosions) >> narrator: u.s. and allied forces bombed tora bora, but couldn't get bin laden. (explosions) the c.i.a. team leader wanted hundreds of u.s. special forces on the ground. >> i asked for, you know, ground support. and i knew that we needed u.s. rangers-- the longer we waited, the further he fell back to the border. >> narrator: the military did not send in the reinforcements. >> it was a catastrophic mistake. because of miscommunication, some bureaucratic infighting, the most elite of u.s. troops weren't dispatched there. we didn't send in the navy seals or the army's d

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it's not like it wasn't on his radar bin laden and al qaeda.ough how this memo was assembled? >> sure. well, there had been a lot of attention to al qaeda, as i mentioned. and memories differ as to the exact genesis of this one. the president of the national security adviser at the time condi rice suggested that the president himself asked for it. others remember that the briefer, michael morel later became the acting director of the cia, that michael actually thought this would fill a gap in the president's knowledge. either way, the analyst gets the call saying you have something to write tonight to get to the president tomorrow morning. and she pulls together from the cia perspective here are the threats related to the united states from bin laden and here is what we can say about why we should take that threat seriously. now, the threat from a terrorist group or anything is really comprised of two parts. it's the threat and the opportunity. but the threat is broken down itself into the intent and the capability. you may really want to do so

called "countdown bin laden."at's happening now, people will be fascinated by the history 20 years in. so many discoveries that you. congrats on the book. i think folks will find it fascinating. >> thank you, shannon. thank you so much for having me on. >> shannon: finally tonight, sanitation worker being hailed as hero. his quick thinking save a little boy from being hit by a vehicle. security camera footage shows boy waiting for a garbage truck to pass without looking both ways tries to make it across the street is a car comes flying down the road. the sanitation worker, jonathan dos santos, pulled the little boy by his shirt and prevented him from being hit or run over. for that act of heroism, jonathan dos santos, you are tonight's midnight hero. kevin, he stepped in just in the nick of time. >> that was close. that's pretty impressive. i want to take you to strongsville, ohio, for this good news good night. 95-year-old frank. he received a letter from a third grader thinking him 12 years later the 21-year-old

bin laden, desde afganistÁn, le ordenÓ a al qaeda perpetuar un ataque en suelo estadounidense.r eso atacamos en afganistÁn, sabÍamos que ahÍ estaba. reportera: una semana despuÉs, cae kabul y los talibanes huyen de la ciudad. el rÉgimen del talibÁn terminÓ, anunciÓ bush. una nueva constituciÓn, elecciones presidenciales y un nuevo presidente en ese paÍs. tras siete aÑos de guerra, obama mand ——mandÓ mÁs refuerzos, 17.000 estadounidenses que se unen a los que estaban en ese paÍs. el terrorista mÁs buscado fue asesinado en pakistÁn, despuÉs de un tiroteo, mataron a osama bin laden. tras la muerte de ben laden, obama anunciÓ el retiro de las tropas, pero los talibanes siguieron dando pelea. en 2016, trump ordenÓ lanzar la madre de todas las bombas en afganistÁn. hemos tenido negociaciones exitosas, sostuvo. dÍas antes de dejar la presidencia, trump ordenÓ la salida de las tropas para mayo, pero el presidente biden lo extendiÓ hasta fines de agosto, los talibanes tomaron en 10 dÍas control de su paÍs. se estima que alrededor de 50.000 civiles afganos perdieron la vida, del lado est

we built a base in saudi arabia as bin laden declared jihad against us. they had everybody on the run, at one point. it was on horseback, believe it or not. they were killed by finley fire -- by friendly fire by this new weapon. as far as afghanistan, the russians are more worried. the pakistanis do not know what is going on either. i would not worry too much about them. host: go ahead. guest: a number of points. absolutely right, they were on horseback. team alpha arrived and they soon realized they were in the mountains and the principal mode of transportation was horses. it was very painful, the saddles were bits and pieces of two by fours. very few of these guys had any experience on horses. he is right to draw attention to the friendly fire. there was a prisoner uprising on november 25, 2001. cia operative was killed. the following day, there was a 2000 pound dropped on the fort and the intention was to drop the bomb on the pink house. that is where most of them were seeking shelter. the fog of war and some of these procedures had not been used befor

part of it was bin laden.n 2011, may 1, 2011, we took down the mastermind of 9-11, severely degraded al-quaida and we protected the u.s. homeland from an attack like 9-11. there was none for 20 years. now that possibility raises again because of the fact that al-quaida is there under the taliban, isis-k is there under the taliban. for 20 years, we protected the homeland and we brought justice at the end of a rifle held by rob o'neill, a seal to osama bin laden. >> neil: you know, it's weird. when i'm reading this and i got the book -- you got to it me late, but it's okay. it's a great book. i was reading it. this is weird. paying a special attention to joe biden and his role as vice president at the time, someone who doubted the hunt for bin laden and talk him out. biden said he would be more comfortable if they had additional information. why put troops at risk and further u.s. damage relations with pakistan if they weren't sure he was there. he was a doubter till the end. he congratulated president obama aft

month leading to the daring raid that killed bin laden.s, it's been very emotional and poignant day in shanksville and the pentagon, what are your thoughts as we observe this 20th year? chris: well, i think -- i don't know that it surprises me, eric, was bun of the things listening to the relatives of the victims of 9/11 read that list of names as we hear -- have heard every year since 2001, it still has an enormous emotional wallet. you know, you just -- your hearts go out. each one of those names is a story of terrible loss and the names, you know, are so american in the sense that it's not irish or italian or african or whatever, it's all of them. they are all americans and all kinds of races, all kinds of religions and it just has a tremendous emotional toll even 20 years later. eric: it does. many people here saying this really has affected them this year. your book meanwhile countdown bin laden you go behind the scenes and how they were able to track him down. >> well, you know, i -- it's interesting. i timed the book to come out in

we all know what happened that we did get bin laden. during the time, this countdown from starting on august 27th of 2010 until may 1st of 2011, we didn't know. so, as bin laden rather as panetta is getting the first briefing about this mysterious compound in abottabad he doesn't know is this a huge lead or another dead end? as president obama and his team are discussing all of this, in the situation room, of the white house, they don't know. you know, in this -- is bin laden there or somebody else there as the seals are on the horton on their way from i didn't la bad to abode bode they don't know what's going to be there if there is whether they're ever going to return from it. in terms of getting information, i had think i have an advantage one because this wasn't a year or two after when a lot of books were written. it's less classified. people feel freener sharing details and frankly they feel justifiable pride in what they did. as bad as afghanistan and our involvement has turned out especially in these last few weeks, this was a h

bin laden also involved, u.s. officials say, in helping the man convicted of bombing the world trade center, runcie youssef, nine years ago. by protected him before and after that. last winter, cia director george tenet told congress that bin laden is capable of multiple attacks with little or no warning. >> osama and bin laden his global network of lieutenants remain the most immediate and serious threat. >> bin laden's are edged millennium plots, planned attacks on three tours areas in jordan frequented by americans. on lance angeles international airport, and on a u.s. destroyer in yemen, all foiled. but six months later, terrorists do strike successfully and round another destroyer, the uss cole, killing 17. in june, bin laden brags on this home video of killing u.s. sailors. a remarkable take to recruit more terrorist against america. and just three weeks ago, a warning to a landed newspaper allegedly from bin laden's group that he was targeting america again. >> i think this is a dilemma for the united state

they would not blame al qaeda or usama bin laden, they said america deserved it. counterterrorism partner in something separate from al qaeda that we can trust to keep the terrorists at bay is ludicrous. >> lara: and it is dishonest, right? it does not even have a shred of truth to it. >> nope. >> lara: so, a lot of people feel like they are in some sort of fantasy universe here, because it is so ridiculous that we are buying into this, and nobody understands it. and i just want to say thank you to you, john, because no one has done more for all of the years, although lying, you have never wavered from telling the truth. it's greatly appreciated. that's about it for us tonight. tune in every weeknight at 8:00 p.m. eastern to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. you can watch my show on fox nation right now "no agenda" and while you are on the fox nation, don't forget to watch the best show on their, the interview with rick santorum,es the brand-new episoe of "tucker carlson today." he will be back doing the show on monday

the osama bin laden camp against america.erica was weak because we didn't respond to the attacks on the u.s.s. cole and now was the time to attack them. we would break america and break their resolve and morale and follow up quickly with another attack, which we foiled. however, the other camp was led by k.s.m. because he had been in the united states. the people who agree with him were those that had been to the united states. that we would come for them and come for them very, very hard. and they would suffer extreme consequences as a result of that. they were setback as a result of the united states going to afghanistan. it's indisputable. they were diminished as an organization. the problem we have is going forward because we now have the taliban who enabled 9-11 with the al-quaida in charge of afghanistan and likely will become an epicenter of terrorism, particularly for the al-quaida and for isis going forward. that has increased the risk going forward. that's indisputable. the director of the cia said as much himself.

. >> the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden.der of al qaeda. >> four taliban senior leaders once detained at guantanamo bay released by the obama administration in 2014 in a prisoner swap for sergeant beau bergdahl, kidnapped in afghanistan after deserting his army post. >> whatever those circumstances turn out to be. we still get an american soldier back who was held in activity. >> the concrete is built to withstand pressure up to 13,000 pound per square inch. >> i share the american people's frustration over a foreign policy that has spent too much money and american lives to rebuild a country in our own image. >> the taliban overrunning everything and controlling the whole country is highly unlikely. >> i learned there was never a good time to withdraw u.s. forces. the truth is, this did unfold more quickly than we anticipated. >> our president and our government has abandoned american citizens behind enemy lines. >> you have a failure. he did it for the political symbolism, and all for a disgusting attempt at a september 11

. >> bin laden he's done it >> reporter: former cia operative gary schroen led the first team in. >>going in we're going to find bin laden and kill him. >> reporter: the taliban, who had taken control of afghanistan in a civil war, were protecting bin laden so the united states took action. >> it does now appear that united states military action against targets in afghanistan, that that action is underway >> reporter: just three months after 9/11, the united states overthrew the taliban and had al qaeda on the run but bin laden got away soon the united states launched a second war, this time in iraq. the taliban regrouped. president obama surged in thousands of reinforcements, and eventually the taliban were beaten back, allowing afghans to be free, dare to dream and girls to go to school but the taliban never went away, and when in august president biden pulled out, the taliban recaptured afghanistan in 11 days, so quickly american troops hadn't even finished leaving. afghans were desperate not to be left behind. with broad international support, the u.s. led one of the biggest air

i think someone attributed to bin laden — i think i'm right about this, i think it was bin laden or somebodyistake because it awakened a sleeping giant. and i think, in a way, this was a terrible mistake for them because, even if it's going to take 20—30 years, islamic extremist terrorism will eventually be destroyed. rudy giuliani, we have to end it there, but thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you, thanks a lot. hello there. the past 2a hours have seen the downpours arrive and the heat ebb away. but with fewer showers yesterday across some eastern parts of england, we saw temperatures getting up to 27 degrees in suffolk, very warm for this time of the year. it was 26 in cromer, 25 in the east midlands. charterhall, though, in the scottish borders was 29 degrees on wednesday. thursday was 10 degrees cooler, as the rain arrived. and earlier in the night, we had some torrential thundery downpours in northern england. that led to some flash flooding in some areas. but the worst is now over, the showers are heading their way northwards into scotland. many places will start dry, i

and bin laden fell into this trap. pretty quickly in the first months after 9/11. >> and one interesting thing from your book, bin laden, when he was on the run told his own children not to work with al qaeda? what was that about? >> the battle in 2001, they dropped 2,000 pounds of ordinance in front of him, he was probably wounded in the shoulder. he was very downcast. two years later when he narrowly escaped being killed by the united states, he said don't join al qaeda. he clearly changed his mind. >> we get back to this truth that there are so many young americans who have no grasp of the magnitude of what happened on september 11 and what happened in the years that followed. i think one of the questions young people have is why did it take so long for the united states to finally get bin laden? what is the answer to that question? >> whitey bulger is how i answer this. whitey bulger disappeared for a long time. he lived in california and was finally found. multiply the problem by 10, 20 times, he was in pakistan,

they sheltered osama bin laden. but they weren't the same thing as al-qaeda. that there was no relevant distinction between al-qaeda, between the taliban and between what it called "terrorist groups of global reach," which ultimately washes out to saying that while the spectable version of the bush administration's policies were already an extremely expansive conception of who could be targeted, moving from terror groups like al-qaeda to, ultimately, entire regimes, the deputy defense secretary, paul wolfowitz, spoke in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 about "ending states" but in the broader political, journalistic and then popular conception, the enemy could be all of islam, or it could be something just short of all of islam. and from there, it was an extremely short, rather immediate, transition to fearing american muslims, fearing your neighbors, thinking your neighbors posed a threat to you -- not that this apparatus of war and repression posed a threat to you. amy: you know, spencer, one of the things that hasn't gotten reported very much is that as the

establishment knew what bin laden was saying. why has it been so difficult to stand resilient against the efforts of others to hijack us and make them do what we want to do? because that's what you're saying. you were warning about this right after 911. you warned it again about it again, just in your recent op ed, why has this country failed to basically say, we know what you're trying to do and we're not going to do it? well, i think it's hard to do, you know, i, i think the reality is that, you know, 911 was a deeply devastating blow to the psyche of the country. thousands of lives were lost, there was a lot of pain and it was natural to, to want to react, you know, in a way that was proportional to that. but of course, it goes further and you know, we live in an era in which our media tends to cheat up the dialogue rather than cool it down at once. took days before a story was reported and reached the general public time for things to cool down. now everything happens in an instant. you know, i think one of the contributing f

and of course it was osama bin laden himself. i have the opportunity to me with them who is the head of saudi arabian intelligence and he is now the ambassador to the united states. he was the head of the counterterrorist organization and then john o'neill as well who was actually the first person that i wrote about in this effort. he had been the head of the counterterrorism division in new york city and he was pushed out of his own organization, they were angry at him and leaked information and he resigned and became the head of security at the world trade center. and he died on that day as well. see mackie has kind of become a folk hero. and he had a made for television movie? just. >> one of the things that you talked about, he chose to put three pictures of him, all of these different women discussing his personality and his relationship with women. one is that i'm thing that he talked about. >> well, his life is what i'm writing about her in order to honor his hand john o'neill coming up to understand that in the midst of t

that killed osama bin laden. >> that was ten years ago. think about that. >> we're going to stay until we have a deal or we have total victory. >> i've learned the hard way, there is never a good time to withdraw u.s. forces. >> the taliban is continuing its offensive across afghanistan. >> taliban fighters have broken through the front line. >> the afghan army has collapsed. the central government has fallen. >> panic fills the air in kabul. >> president biden said this is not going to be saigon. but guess what. >> there's been an explosion outside kabul airport. >> 170 afghans killed. >> 13 american troops killed. >> i stand squarely behind my decision. it's time to end america's longest war. >> is it a mistake? i think it is, yeah. because i think the consequences are going to be unbelievably bad. >> i must say that it's a moral defeat for the united states. >> i think is the president is right. enough is enough. >> what was all of this for? that has to be the question veterans are asking. >> two decades. more than $2 trillion. more tha

bin laden was nailed in neighboring pakistan when seals caught and killed osama bin laden here.ed along with the global war on terror. terrorism was no longer a police issue, it was a true national security threat. now this 9/11 20th anniversary comes as the 20-year u.s. war in afghanistan ends and the taliban is back in charge. >> to see the movement that helped the perpetrators of 9/11 be back in power. it's a failure. >> killing americans and others show terror still thrives. hope is it will keep future global attacks at bay and slim hopes for those in afghanistan. >> all the struggles and sacrifice i made, it was worth it. >> what about the next 20 years? according to the americans, it is lessons learned. according to the afghans there is a slim glimmer of hope. let's hope for them, for all, we pray for them as well. back to you. >> dana: greg palkot. wonderful to watch you over the years. thank you for always bringing us the story. we appreciate you. see you again soon. >> bill: remarkable stuff. >> the further we get away from 9/11 more and more people are getting sick and

chris: you can watch countdown bin laden tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on fox news channel and after it airs you can stream it any time on foxnation.com. my book which tells the full story is out now, available online and in stores. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next fox news sunday. ♪ we are we the people, the citizens. see you next time on life liberty and levin. >> good evening everyone welcome to the next revolution this is another pro- worker family pro- community this weekend especially polymeric. these two men andrew carnegie and rockefeller lied and she'd just cheated for the pursuit of economic power the robber baron of capitalism in a heated that so they set about changing their image of wanted people to forget about all the terrible things they did so carn

if bin laden is there. and they don't know. they think none are coming back alive. you think you know the end of the story. you read this story the last 100 pages you are on the edge of your seat asking what happens next? it is a history thriller. >> harris: i asked what happens next. we are oef in a precarious position now. the close alignment between the second of the command of the new taliban and pakistani connections. and he is al qaeda. i want to know what's next next? we'll have to talk about it when you come back. i know history can teach us. it always does. everybody get the book, it is amazing. >> harris: as we remember september 11th, 20 years ago, we have special coverage all day on this saturday on fox news beginning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. catch it all. we are in it together. some families of 9/11 victims are outraged of president biden's messaging in the wake of his afghanistan exit with the taliban. one is comparing words to those of former president bush after the 2001 attacks. >> one of the last spaces where we don't have politization of anything. ca

chris: you can watch countdown bin laden tonight at 10:00 p.m.eam it any time on foxnation.com. my book which tells the full story is out now, available online and in stores. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next fox news sunday. ♪ maria: hello, everyone. welcome to sunday morning futures. i'm maria bartiromo. coming up, changing the conversation, a major u.s. drone attack misses its target and instead kills children in afghanistan, days before 9/11. and joe biden pivots, going all a-in on mandate ago covid vaccine, no matter your rights and freedoms. >> we need to do more. this is not about freedom or personal choice. it's about protecting yourself and those around you.

and tonight, you'll hear directly from many of them in a new documentary, "count down bin laden."copters and realized that they were now over the compound. i think everybody understood that this was the critical moment, because once they hear those helicopters, you've got about 90 seconds to be able to rappel down and go in before bin laden is truly alerted to what's happening. >> chris: but the plan they had practiced so many times went south quickly. >> i was looking on the big screens there as the helicopter came in and i could see it start to waffle. >> chris: the lead black caught fought to maintain control, then hit the wall of the compound. >> i immediately said to bill mcraven, i said what the hell is happening? and bill didn't miss a beat. he basically said look, we got a backup helicopter coming in, we are going ahead with the mission, they are going to rappel and go in through the walls. this mission is going on. and i remember saying god bless you, let's do it. >> our pilot realized in an instant, i can't hover so you are not going to the roof and a member getting out

take the daring raid that killed osama bin laden. >> the seal team that went into this, they didn't thinky would make it back. >> that was a surprise to me. >> a conversation with christine wachris wallace abouts new book. luke burbank reports on rescue dogs, those four-legged heros of 9/11. and lee cowan takes us back to ground zero, 20 years on. 9/11 then and now, later on "sunday morning." >> pauley: summer is drawing to a close. the new season is upon us. and all through this morning, we'll be offering you some coming attractions. jim axelrod has a preview. >> the face is familiar, and so is the name. >> what do you say? >> reporter: michael gandolfini steps into his late father's shoes as young tone sp tony soprano in a new film. >> the first instinct was no. >> reporter: ben mankiewicz catches up with cedric the entertainer. >> i would sing and do poems. i was like call me an entertainer. >> reporter: and tracy smith on the return of a broadway sensation, all coming up on "sunday morning." >> pauley: from rita braver, drawings with a stroke of genius. the sketches of artist paul ceÉ

peter produced osama bin laden's first interview. i'm curious when you think back to that interview with bin laden and you think of everything that's come, the wars in afghanistan, iraq, other nations, arab spring, isis, ramifications jeff was talking about to u.s. poll six that are held to this day, what most stands out to you reflecting this morning, two decades later? >> good morning, boris. a lot of events happened. jeff talked about some of the political ramifications. we not only invaded occupied afghanistan and iraq, we had various missions in libya, pakistan, tens of thousands of troops were killed. none of this was predictable after the days of 9/11. none was predictable in 1997 when we talked to bin laden. he declared war against the united states then. al qaeda blew up two embassies in africa killing 200 people and from then on out he was a more serious threat. >> your most recent book is called the rise and fall of osama bin laden. the united states was insulated because bin laden's decision to carry out the operations in

you -- countdown bin laden. the nation was unified, how long would it last.t very long. why did everything, including the media coverage, become so polarizing after that moment of national celebration. >> because a that's who we are and, yes, it lasted for a while and one of the scenes at the end of the book is after the president announces to the nation, leon panetta leaves to get in his car to get home and he hears the crowd chanting, usa, usa, cia, cia, and he remembers all of the attacks on the cia over the years, domestically, and said that was the proudest moment of his career. but we move on. we seem incapable, i don't know, we seem incapable, howie, of focusing on what unites us and we seem to just want to pick the scab of the things that divide us. i think it's one of the saddest thing in our politics, in our media. howie: how much does the press contribute to that? those are the kind of things that excite the base and get ratings and clicks. >> i think there's a tribal element to our country today and it's beyond just politics. it's politics, cultur

because we were attacked by osama bin laden and al qaeda on september 11, 2001. and they were based in afghanistan. we delivered justice to bin laden on may 2, 2011. over a decade ago. al qaeda was decimated. i respectfully suggest you ask yourself this question. we've been attacked on september 11, 2001 from yemen, instead of afghanistan. would we have ever gone to war in afghanistan? even though the taliban-controlled afghanistan in the year 2001? i believe the honest answer is no. that's because we had no vital interest in afghanistan other than to prevent an attack on america's homeland and our friends. and that's true today. we succeeded in what we set out to do in afghanistan over a decade ago. then we stayed for another decade. it was time to end this war. this is a new world. the terror threat has metastasized across the world, well beyond afghanistan. we face threats from al-shabaab in somalia, al qaeda affiliates in syria and the arabian peninsula, and isis attempting to create a calla fight in syria and iraq, and africa and asia. the fundamental obliga

has osama bin laden's dream to destroy the myth of american invincibility come true? i'll talk to tony blair who was prime minister of the united kingdom on 9/11 and oversaw britain's entry in those wars alongside its closest ally, the united states. then an exclusive interview with the president of ukraine. in the oval office just last week, president biden assured him that the u.s. opposes russian aggression. >> the united states remains firmly committed to ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. >> but after what the world witnessed in kabul, is president zelensky still confident that america will have ukraine's back in case of further russian aggression? i'll ask him about that and his role in that scandal that caused donald trump to be impeached. >>> but first here's my take. if you want to understand what islamic militancy is really about, pay attention to this statement last week by the taliban spokesman. china is our most important partner and represents a fundamental and extraordinary opportunity for us. let that sink in and let me remind you that ch

outside in it's liter, osama bin laden had planned and executed the hijacking of commercial airlines and killed almost 3000 people in the morning of september, 11th, 2001. no one saw it coming and no one could explain it. it been loud and wanted to so fear in confusion, america. he had definitely succeeded. the u. s. response was massive and visceral, but besides decimating archived and killing bin laden, there's so much more that has happened in the past 20 years in the so called global war on terror, aka the global war on everything. america violated its own laws, is suspended habeas corpus protections for suspect it kidnapped that tortured and rendered suspects to 3rd countries to be tortured even more. and to look at every global challenge to the lens of islamic terrorism, along the way, fortunes were made by those benefiting from massive spending on national security. like new weapons and drones, vehicles, surveillance systems, you name it, even local police departments in the us started to look and act like the military. today when civil liberties are threatened and the master

s. response was massive and visceral, but besides decimating al qaeda and killing bin laden. there's so much more that has happened in the past 20 years in the so called global war on terror, aka the global war on everything. america violated its own laws, is suspended habeas corpus. protections for suspect it kidnapped at tortured and rendered suspects to 3rd countries to be tortured, even more. and to look at every global challenge to the lens of islamic terrorism. along the way, fortunes were made by those benefiting from massive spending on national security, like new weapons and drones, vehicles, surveillance systems, you name it, even local police departments in the us started to look and act like the military. today when civil liberties are threatened and the master valence of phones in males, is just about normal, we shrug. so what $911.00 do to america and can america reinvent itself so that it's not chasing goes forever. today we're talking with political scientists and journalists, david roth cop, the former editor in chief of foreign policy magazine, and host of d