i think he is also biocurious. george church also starts every talk by putting a slide up that has, i don't know, 20, 25 corporate logos on it, and says this is my conflict of interest statement, and everybody laughs and then we move on. and so it's a combination that can be very powerful and very poisonous between financial incentives, power incentives. wow, we are changing the world, we are changing life. curiosity, and just, you know, i'm -- there's the mountain, i'm going to climb it. but i don't think we can underestimate the force and the dynamics of money, of commercial forces that take on their own momentum, and i really appreciated pete's analogy to the personal computer market and we can see how much that can change the world and how much technology really does affect how we -- you know, who we live, -- how we live who lives, our , circumstances of life, and yet we don't have -- we don't really have common mechanisms of democratic participation and democratic control over the shapes of technologies, and w

biocurious, a hackers biotech. when we started five years ago, our goal was to get more people doing science stuff. we started labs in our garages and apartments, and then we got a kick starter and said we want to make this bigger. we raised $35,000 to make this happen. we bought all the equipment, we got a warehouse, mailing list of a few thousand people who were interested, and something happened. five years later, i wanted to ask the question, is bio curious successful? what does success mean? in silicon valley, it is pretty easy to define. success, for a place of ,nnovation, means startups inventions, an idea that is spreading. is bio curious successful in that way? first of all, we have the glowing plant roger, which started bio curious. this idea that, isn't it neat that things in biology glow? living things can go in the dark, whether it is jellyfish or mushrooms. plantf we could make a that glowed in the dark? how would that work? together andot started thinking about it, put together a kick starter, and it