i visited a formerly shuttered plants that is today creating biodiesel. they are going around to poultry plants, collecting chicken fat and turning it into biodiesel. those jobs stay right here. they do not go anywhere else. we have got all the right infrastructure for us to be a leader in this comic in america, and help reduce our emissions, our reliance upon carbon emissions and oil, and that is the right thing to do for the next generation and for ourselves right now. >> thank you. mr. cunningham? alternative energy? >> sure. it should be a part of our energy future. we have to look over the horizon and see what our opportunities are. federal government has an importance. north carolina should lead. one of the things i mentioned in my video series, and people should go to the website. there is a gentleman who works for a company, and jim started his career in the oil business. he was then in the nuclear business, and now, he is in alternative energy, and because north carolina was forward thinking about an alternative energy standards, we should have w

host: are you in favor of this biodiesel tax credit?aller: they needed, otherwise, these soybean industry's will shut down. i am on the county board. we are going to build one nearby in a small town. i use it. i use 20% soybean diesel in my tractors. there is hardly any black smoke. next year, they are coming out with deal motors which will have catalytic converters with so many parts in will be extremely hard to keep running. host: you serve on the board -- the county board. they are trying to get this type of plant? guest: no, i am just informed about whether or not we need to make regulations about it. not only that come in the process, they also used animal fat, fat off of chicken skin. they squeeze the oil out of it, which can be blended. some people say that it is not as good, but i have been running on it for five years, and i have older equipment. it runs great. host: next phone call. caller: something that went on 14 years ago, the average c.e.o. in the country made 24 times with the lowest number of the corporation made. now t

biodiesel, wind, solar -- that is our future. >> thank you. rebuttal? very good. the discussion continues as my fellow journalists get to ask questions. yanda the candidates get their final chance to earn your vote -- and the kids get their final chance to earn your vote during a closing statement -- and that candidates get their final chance to earn your vote during a closing statement. welcome back to the debate. we are now entering the third and final segment of this debate. it gives our panel of journalists and opportunity to ask a great follow up questions. each reporter will ask each candidate one question. we are beginning with mark from the "greensboro news and record." >> there have been bills drafted in congress that would allow corestates to collectively bargain with their public safety mployees as well as in paroppoe legislation for their collective bargaining. would you support those measures and why or why not? >> good question. first and foremost, i have indicated my support for a your cooperation act, which would have north carolina set a policy wh

they're going out and picking up used oil and turning it into biodiesel. it's absolutely marvelous and those jobs stay right here. they do not go anywhere else. and we've got the community colleges to help the workers, if there's something specific about a particular industry. we have got it, all the right infrastructure for us to be a leader in america, and help emissions and oil. that is the right thing to do for the next generation and for ourselves right now. >> mr. cunningham, alternative energy. >> it should be a part of our energy future. we have to look over the horizon and see what the opportunities are. the federal government has a very important role and north carolina can and should lead, and we are. one of the videos that i mentioned from my video series earlier, a gentleman who works for a company, and he started his career in the oil business. now he is into alternative energy. because north carolina was forward thinking about an alternative energy standard, which did pass one for the country. his company is able to turn hog waste into elect

that is forward-looking, that creates jobs, that assures that we are leaders in solar and wind and biodiesel, that recognizes that we are going to be reliant on fossil fuels for many years to come . that we are going to still be using oil and other fossil fuels but that we have to start planning now and putting the infrastructure in place now. >> woodruff: later the president met with business leaders to discuss energy reforms. late today, a government task force estimated the well's total flow may have reached 2.1 million gallons a day before the capping operation began. earlier estimates were substantially lower. there is no estimate yet on the flow since the capping began, but it could be higher still. joining us now are two business executives who met with the president this afternoon. john doerr, a venture capitalist known for his investments in silicon valley and companies like google, amazon and sun microsystems. he's a partner with the firm of kleiner perkins caufield & byers. and chad holliday, former chair and c.e.o. of dupont. he is now chairman of the board of directors of bank o

guest: these are biodiesel procers mostly in the midwest. the rpose of the tax credit is to encourage aternative sources of energy. ere is an industry that has sprung up around that, another program that the government has to diversify our sources of energy. host: is that for farms to produce ethanol? guest: it is related. there is a separate industry from having diesel -- biodiesel. host: do we know how much that might say? is there a btom-line figure? guest: iiwould hate to hazard a guess? -- a guess. host: what else is in here? guest: you mentioned racetracks. every few years, they get a tax break. there are about 40, 50 tax breaks that go to individual industries. those are just a few of the targeted tax breaks. host: how does one get into a bill like this? guest: this one has been around and i have been covering washington. it has been around for many years previous to that. on the house ways and means committee or senate finance commiee, there are constituents who come to make a case that they deserve certain x treatment. over the yars

agenda that is forward- looking, that creates jobs, that assures that we're leaders in solar, wind, biodiesel, that recognizes we will be reliance on fossil fuels for many years to come -- reliance on fossil fuels for many years to come and using fossil fuels but we have to start planning and putting in the infrastructure in place and putting research and development in place so we end of being leaders in our energy future. we will have a group of ceos that come in from a wide range of different industries. people from bill gaaes of billto the -- microsoot to the chairman of dupont to come up with recommendations on how we can move more aggressiveey on the energy agenda. obviously, our immediate task is to do with a crisis that is affecting millions of people down in the gulf. we cannot keep our eye off the importance of having an energy policy that meets the needs of the next generation and insurers -- assures the u.s. is the energy leader. i very much appreciate all the leaders here today who have been very constructive in wanting to explore how we can move them forward. thank you very much

1980's that could drive -- around 50 cities in north america, powered solely by 600 gallons of hemp biodiesel why aren't we ever talking about hemp as a alternative fuel. it's not marijuana, so i don't understand why we never go there. guest: i think biofuels, there are so many options for biofuels. i don't think it's a silver bullet, but i think it's a great transition fume because it's liquid. and that's the system that we're on now so we should look at all different options for biofuels. but we really also need to look at the consequences of biofuels. there were issues about corn ethanol with land. you don't want to remove food production to get fuel production. so i would say that there should be no biomass products, algae, other things off the table right now. host: deborah gordon, thanks for being here. appreciate the conversations. guest: you're welcome. host: next, we'll turn our attention to arthur brooks, president of the american his book "the battle: how the fight between enterprise will shape america's future." first this update. >> in the headlines, the suspect in the may 1 atte

we are encouraging congress to vote for a tax extender fort biodiesel.we want the senate to vote on that as soon as possible. we want to increase role in research and development in advanced biofuels and food stocks to figure output -- to figure out how to distribute them more efficiently. i remember being at a facility in virginia as part of the rural toward -- tour, and looking that waste being converted into fuel which some believe can be spread as a substitute for fertilizer on land and that will capture carbon for centuries. that might allow the farmers to sell at the waist -- sell the waste to get fertilizer that is a less expensive and be paid for sequestering carbon. it is a tremendous opportunity. i will tell you that is the second strategy, the second part of our kramer. the third part is building the 21st century infrastructure. there is no reason why today we cannot have the 21st century infrastructure in rural america. that is broadband. with the first set of grants from usda under the recovery reinvestment act, we were able to expand broadb