and in terms of the mainstream and highly capitalized bioengineering world, how much are you encountering technicians, people who do the work in the labs and the scientists who are willing to engage in ethical terms and in terms of we make the world with the work we do, and this is one of those moments where it's super in our face, and it feels like it's not discussed, some of the fascination and the implication of science and technology is simply underdiscussed and the fascination overrides all the possibilities of stopping of why am i here in the planet and what the hell am i doing, so i kind of just want to start the discussion happening. i invite all three of you to respond however you like and i'm sure by then other people will jump in -- whoever wants to go first. mr. shanks: one of the things -- is this on? yeah. in my experience people don't like talking about human genetic modification. it freaks people out. now, there are some people that it's a minority, i think, there are some people who are for it, who, you know, i want to be green, i want to have horns, i want to do all kind