lack of coordination and collaboration across countries, so too we put at risk majestic species, bioopportunity to -- put at risk the prospects for conservation. there's been a report that details just how many billions of dollars go into the coffers of resistance movements and the terrorist movements that are outside the rule of law. as to chairman kerry, i know that senator isaacson reflect a broad community both republican and democrat that welcome your efforts and want us to put conservation ahead -- >> again i say thank you for your concern and your leadership in this area, it's been of enormous import, we appreciate it. >> i'm deeply grateful for this response from the highest levels of the united states of america. and i'm honored to appear before this committee. and i am actually appeared both in the '70s and the '80s on the same issue, when elephants were in peril. and i have testified three timings before congress. we are now again in that situation. what's happening to elephants is appalling. more so that we have been through these ivory -- there is an escalated crisis in south afric