doing in birmingham, alabama, people went, "whoa! i didn't know that really happened in america." >> trevor: right. >> now today, everybody-- not only should cops be wearing body cams. everybody has a bodyical. everybody has a cell phone. the last words of george floyd, "i can't breathe," they would have been cons qesh, but if they had not seen him take his last breath, none of this would have been nearly as consequential. because people are now saying, "my god. did you see that?" it's one of those inflection points. >> trevor: it really does feel like an inflection point and it is one that is difficult for many americans to navigate. most americans agree there is a problem in policing between police and the black community and even many poor white communities. this is something we know what we look at interactions between police and the american people. you have come out in favor of police reform, you know. but what does that actually mean? because some people think that you cannot reform an institution that is fundamentally rotten

if one can capture those images of a brutal police force as in birmingham, alabama, shooting fire hoses on nonviolent protesters, that's a very powerful sort of morality play that gets broadcast nationally. i think you're right, thinking about the role of police violence and how do we reduce that is at the heart of this. in this current moment, though, what we're seeing that's quite interesting is almost surprising replay of some of that earlier 1960s footage where because of cell phones, we're seeing all kinds of incidents and encounters where there appear to be -- there are these allegations of excess force by police against peaceful protesters. and i think that's really changing the conversation nationally. >> yeah. i know, omar, you saw the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll showing more people are troubled by the floyd killing than they are about the protests and their aftermath. when you see that kind of number, does it indicate a sea change to you? i mean, you bring up the '60s. as you compare it to the unrest of that decade. >> i think it is a very different moment. and

meanwhile, in her hometown of birmingham, alabama, angela, comedian jermaine johnson is pleading notuilty to inciting a riot after he urged people to march on a statue of charles linn. did you think you would ever see this? you think about b bree newsom after the horror and mother manual church in charleston, south carolina, who shimmied up that flagpole on the grounds of the south carolina legigislature and took down the confederate flag and they put it right on back up. what about what we are seeing today? >> of course bree newsom was .onderful pioneer i think it is important to link this trerend to the campaign in south africa. roads must fall. i think this reflects the extent to which we are being called on the o deeply reflect racism thatorical has brought as to the point where we are today. racism -- racism should have been immediately confronted inin the afterermath of the end of slavery. his is what dr. dubois' analalysis was about. not so much of what we were going to do about these poor people who have been enslaved 70 generations, but rather how can we reorganize our socie

i was born in detroit and partially raised there but i was also raised in birmingham alabama down in the south among the king marched in all of the civil rights movement that was like the heart of it is now then birmingham alabama racism against black people it was more systematic they incorporated 'd it in the system and i noticed that as a very young child in the school system i noticed that black children we were treated differently than the white children the white kids would act out and do whatever and they would just get a barely a reprimand but black kids who would do the same thing they would get funneled into special education classes they would get expelled always from that point wanted to know the ins and outs of systematic racism. this was like in the early seventy's when they started to take away the housing discrimination laws in made it bad you have to rip houses and rip property and it has to be equal legally there was a white flight and that took all the money in the world and resources out and it just left the shell of the city and the people were impoverished and t

you lost friends anything 1963 bombing of the united church in birmingham, alabama and i think the policeawn. that is correct. that is correct. can you tell us more on that history. it was in 1969, i was very active, especially with the black panther movement. i have been active my whole life. because of that activism, they broke into our homes and pulled their guns and almost killed my husband. fortunately, he survived. a bullet went into his shoulder. a millimetre from his shoulder. a millimetre from his spine. i was not harmed by the police. we were charge, however, of the attempted murder of a police officer because my husband went to get his gun in the self defence while the officers drew their gun and almost killed him. we we re gun and almost killed him. we were charged with murder but a judgejudge of that were charged with murder but a judge judge of that to be unlawful. it was a violation of oui’ unlawful. it was a violation of our first unlawful. it was a violation of ourfirst amendment unlawful. it was a violation of our first amendment rights and of our rights to privacy for t

you well that doesn't mean that we in any any way condone what those predators are doing in birmingham alabama people should know that it is no accident that along the gulf were writing negro women negro babies a negro children kennedy said nothing it was only after the negro began to strike that. it was then it was then that kennedy called ending on don't you be going by kennedy don't you people by the don't go down negro free just want to tell i thank you you get that good i get the you know. after the events of birmingham martin luther king and malcolm x. were interviewed a few days apart for a program about the race issue brings us an interpretation it was an opportunity to share their opposing vision was to put the black caucus malcolm x. has said of your philosophy that it plays into the hands of the height of practice that they are happy when you talk about love for the oppressor because this is far from a negro well i don't think of love as in this context as emotional bond i don't think of it as we all but i think of love as something strong and all the nice south and powerful i direc

and we remember birmingham, alabama. german shepherds and fire hoses that could strip the bark off of trees that were directed against protesters peacefully marching. of there will be scores time, including dr. king almost being killed in canton, mississippi, and police were the ones precipitating the violence. law enforcement has been used as a vehicle to constrain and punish black citizens throughout american history. blackot of ways, when people come out peacefully to citizensthey are not and blackorcement, lies have never been defended by law enforcement in a meaningful racialn you about massacres throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries. theust commemorated anniversary of tulsa, oklahoma, which was mastercard -- massacred. thatuse of violence, now we have so many white protesters were being victimized, it's casting a strobe light and exposing all of our illusions about american democracy. all of these lies that america tells itself. that's an opportunity. that's how you can have change through this exposure. and

. >> condoleezza rice the daughter of a segregated south raised in birmingham alabama during the height of the struggle of the civil rights with citizens and riots and bombings happening in her city. at eight years old the kkk bombed the local church in birmingham killing for school age girls one of those was a friend of condi. they used to play dolls together. out of supreme intelligence known a the worldou iicha i had the honor of a lifetime to work with her for five years. to encourage all americans to read and remind us the country has a birth defect advocate and europeans came to this country together but one was in chains. the very constitution that counted slaves three fifths of a man became a powerful tool to afford the descendents of slaves the basic rights the work has been long and difficult but made a difference. we are better than we were. she notes one harsh indicator and in jim crow alabama she said "no one batted an eye if a on - - the police killed a black man there wouldn't even be a footnote in the local press and now we see hundreds of thousands across america take t

like for you in birmingham, alabama >> so birmingham, i don't think it's that different from a lot ofother places we did have something interesting, you know, that gave me a sense of community of what alabama is and so we had a protest, a peaceful protest at a park downtown and so this is where birmingham to me is just such a different place to be from ask that you talk about justice, this place is rich for people willing to fight for it so everybody went to the park for the peaceful protest so a good friend of mine said to the crowd, while we're down here, why don't we try to -- that monument over there the crowd was like, all right, yeah let's go do that so people were trying -- this is how birmingham is. somebody in downtown birmingham pulled up a pickup truck with a rope to pull down a million ton confederate monument with a pickup truck it didn't work >> jimmy: i was going to say, did it work? >> no. but the mayor randall wilson came out he spoke with the crowd and he said, give me two days to get this done and the mayor got it done in one and the confederate monument is down and

sullivan: condoleezza rice was the daughter of the segregated south, raised in birmingham, alabama, during the height of the struggle for civil rights, with sit-ins, riots, and even bombings happening in her city. when she was eight years old, the ku klux klan bombed a local church in birmingham, calling four school-age girls. one of those girls, denise mcnair was a friend of condi's. they used to play dolls together. over five decades later, through hard work, grace, dignity, and supreme intelligence, she rose to become one of the most powerful people in the world as secretary of state of the united states, and i had the honor of a lifetime to work for her for five years. she recounts some of her journey in this op-ed which i encourage all of my colleagues and all americans to read. she reminds us, quote, that our country has a birth defect. african and europeans came to this country together, but one group was in chains. in time, she writes, the very constitution that counted slaves as three-fifths of a man became a powerful tool of affording the descendants of slaves their basic rights.

. >>> new video showing the removal of the confederate statue in birmingham, alabama. crane was being used to dismanhattan it will overnight after protesters vandalized the monument on sunday. the mayor asked protesters to stand down and asked for 24 hours to remove the statue. >>> mass protests are raising the risk of new coronavirus outbreaks. public health experts warn the crowds could cause a surge in cases. health experts worry the wave of protests will almost certainly set off new chains of infection, and they say there's a high risk of spread any time there's large numbers of people who are not social distancing. >> i think we are going to pay a price for this. show up ext going to be more week or the week after. within three weeks, we will see more cases. >> you're asked to cover your face, eyes, and stay six feet away when possible at a protest. >>> another employer laying off employees, and a virtual walkout at facebook. here's your money report with diane king hall. >> reporter: stocks rising on monday. the nasdaq adding 62, s&p 500 gaining 11. the reopening

two of her friends were killed in the 1963 bombing of a baptist church in birmingham, alabama, and thend was wounded by armed officers in their home. well, it was in 1969, i was very active, especially with the black panther party of that time. i have been active all my life. you know, coming out of birmingham — we called it bombingham, alabama — and just because of that activism, they broke into our home and pulled their guns and almost killed my husband. fortunately, he survived. a bullet went into his shoulder. exited like a millimetre from his spine. i was not harmed by the police. we were charged, however, of the attempted murder of police officers. my husband went to get his gun in self defence, while the officers drew their guns and almost killed him. we were charged with murder but a judge found that that was unlawful, that we were attacked in the first place. officers entered our home in the first place because of our political activity so it was a violation of our first amendment rights and of our rights to privacy so the charges were dropped. but it was a very frightening tim

birmingham jail, april 16, 1963. madam president, i yield the floor. a senator: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from alabama. mr. jones: thank you, madam president. continuing the reading from the letter from the birmingham jail. you may well ask: "why direct action? why sit-ins, marches, and so forth? isn't negotiation a better path?" you are quite right in calling for negotiation. indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. it seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. my citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. but i must confess that i am not afraid of the word "tension." i have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. just as socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to

looters breaking into a row of shops in los angeles and in birmingham, alabama, a crowd turns its angerederate monument in minneapolis the city that's been the flash point for the outrage in violence since george floyd's death, an overwhelming show of force. dozens of proit'sers refusing to empty the streets at curfew are arrested the national guard locking down what for the first time in a week are mostly quiet streets here though earlier this tanker barrels into a crowd of thousands. many jumping on to and some into the cab. somehow no one was injured the driver arrested. >> i think the incident just underscores still the volatile situation we have out there. >> reporter: a situation that has millions on edge right now protesters insist they will continue their peaceful demonstrations here while the police, sheriffs deputies and national guard promise they are going to keep it that way. >> thank you so much please stay safe out this. >> i'd like to bring you a lighter note this one out of queens new york. a show of solidarity among all the protests >> this is one of many examples of p

and in birmingham, alabama, a crowd turns its anger to a confederate monument. in minneapolis, the city that's been the flash point for the outrage in violence since george floyd's death, an overwhelming show of force. dozens of protesters refusing to empty the streets at curfew are arrested. the national guard locking down what, for the first time in a week, are mostly quiet streets here. though earlier this tanker barrels into a crowd of thousands, many jumping onto and some into the cab. somehow no one was injured. the driver arrested. >> i think the incident just underscores still the volatile situation we have out there. >> reporter: a situation that has millions on edge right now. protesters insist they'll continue their peaceful demonstrations here while police, sheriff's deputies and the national guard say they will make sure it stays that way. jay gray, nbc news, minneapolis. >>> 4:52 right now. a large donation made by the san francisco 49ers owner debartolo is raising eyebrows, relating to george floyd's death, but it's causing unrest among some forme

alabama. so that's where we are now, good old birmingham.in birmingham, in alabama >> so birmingham, you know,erent from a lot of what's going on in other places but we did have something interesting, you know, that gave me a sense of the community of what alabama is and so, on sunday night, we had -- we had a protest. we had a peaceful protest at a a park downtown in the civil rights district. and so this is where birmingham to me is just such a different place to be from, is that, you know, you talk about justice, this place is just rich with it and it's rich with people willing to fight for it. so everybody's at the park for the peaceful protest and a good friend of mine, comedian jermaine 'funnymaine' johnson, he says to the crowd, "you know what while we're down here, why don't we try to tear down that confederate monument over there? and the crowd was like, "all right, yeah. let's go do that." so, you know, people were trying -- this is how ready birmingham is to be done with racism somebody in downtown birmingham pulled up a pickup truck with a rope to try to pull down a a million ton c

right as a day of snyder do you think there'd be outrage if they say opened a new team and say birmingham alabama and maimed the birmingham slaves yes there would be massive outraise i would not fly of course excuse me what's the difference with you know governor on the same page with this one i do agree with you and i think that issue has been raised over the years like i said there just hasn't been enough it's a legal battle and obviously they failed to show it is not no it is not a legal battle it's called doing the right thing agree and snyder roger goodell and the players of the n.f.l. need to do the right thing i don't care about legality here so it's nothing to do with like galaxy do the right thing. i know i got a new knee so i got a new name for him steve steve i've got a new name how about the washington crooks. we could name a monster all our politicians say that would be very fitting that would especially during these times that rob and the american flag and other. but again and i'm a fan of the n.f.l. i'm a fan of the players but this just sticks in my craw because i've march multipl

the aggression of officers in birmingham, alabama, helped bring about legislation ending southern segregationeeing black americans to vote. —— landmark act. but the modest reforms from donald trump won't satisfy a protest movement where some are calling to defund the police. you're trying to put a band—aid on a gaping wound. so, yeah, it might help stop the bleeding a little bit but there's a lot more that needs to be done. it's a start but there needs to be much, much more because it's been so long coming. in postwar american history these kind of racial convulsions have often produced transformative legislative reform, but critics of donald trump will complain, his words and his actions do not meet the needs of this dramatic national moment. nick bryant, bbc news, new york. let's get some of the day's other news. indian officials say at least 20 soldiers have been killed in clashes with chinese forces in the disputed kashmir region. china did not confirm any casualties, but accused india of crossing the border. it's the first deadly clash in the border area in at least 45 years. the violenc

. >>> breaking overnight, a 115-year-old confederate statue came down in birmingham, alabama.orkers removed it after protesters tried to pull it down sunday. >>> next, fighting for justice in the digital world. earlier i spoke with professor allissa richardson, author of "bearing witness while black." i asked her about the significance of smartphones documenting police brutality. good morning, dr. richardson. we appreciate having you on the show. in this social media era a lot of people are crediting advancements in cell phone and citizen journalists for documents instances of police brutality. how big of a role has that played in moving the conversation forward and bringing about change? >> it's been an incredible journey in terms of smartphone witnessing. these kinds of videos actually give credence and proof to what many african-americans knew for a very long time, that police brutality is persistent in our society, and with these kind of smartphone videos, we now have the proof to move the needle forward on conversations about that brutality. one of the things that is quit

some severe storms rolled across birmingham, alabama. one person was killed when a il more raiisnd sevorms cou tomorrow. checking today's conditions and temperatures, it will be in the high 80s across the southeast and all the way to new york. both denver and kansas city get to 81. portland and salt lake city reach 86 today. 78 in l.a. 97 in albuquerque. >>> coming up, the prisoner busted after trying to bust out for a second time. >>> also ahead, why teenagers are claiming responsibility for the low turnout at president trump's rally in tulsa. >>> and new developments in the case of two siblings found dead in idaho. how a cell phone helped police find the children months after they disappeared. [male narrator] for as long as we've existed, boys & girls clubs has always been about coming together. to support the families of our communities and do whatever it takes to give every kid a chance at a great future. but we're going through a challenging time right now. and while we may not all be able to come together in the same physical ways,

we will be going to the callahan eye foundation which is one the premier eye facilities in birmingham, alabamae honest, 40 years ago, i couldn't have worked there, so it is progress. >> okay, let me get this straight, your place gets vandalized, volunteers come to clean it up. then after the cleanup you get offered a new residency for your eyecare practice at one of the most prestigious eyecare institutes in the country. >> yes, sir, yes, sir. >> tell the truth, you tor it up, you tor up your own business. >> no, no, no. >> to get an upgrade to a better eyecare facility, tell the truth! >> no, no, no. i did not do that. no, sir. >> look at the facts. >> i am sorry, whatever the facts look like, it is an illusion. >> i need to see your bank account and make sure you ain't paid no protest hers, that is all i'm saying. >> i ain't paid none of them protestors, you can check my record. >> it was probably anti-fa. >> do you know anti-fa. >> no, i don't no anti-fa. >> i got aunt shirley, aunt rose and anti-fa, i will give you her number later, she is really nice. >> do you think she want to get her e

i will tell you, as somebody who grew up in birmingham alabama, jim crow alabama, when a black man wasa footnote in the newspaper. i'm really grateful to people who are goingute now and saying, "no, that is snenlt." i'm grateful to nems tblowng support good police who are thinking about how stument of those people who put their lives on the line every day to protect us. but also to say too those who do snrowrt best interest at heart, who diernthd that obligation to protect and defend without regard to color, enough. we won't put up with that, either. so this is a time for every american to speak to our unity but to also be very cogniz anthony of how we describe our differences, hue we addressure differences, and, especially, how we address one another with empathy. >> brennan: is there any circumstance in which you think it would be acceptable in these days to use what the president said to governors he would use, which was the insurrection act, to send active-duty military into american cities? >> well, i would absolutely advise against it, particularly at this time. look, the foundin

on the phone from birmingham alabama. you are next. >> caller: thank you for accepting my call. i have a thought about the presidents and the president obama just recently stated about basically handing the torch over to the future generation. here's something that i think speaking with hundreds of peop people, the president some of those five presidents if they were to come together and truly want to hand over the torch with the federal, congressional staffers we have right now for the 20 to 30 years really haven't worked for the people. bringing the payroll into the same system that the states have, and if you think about it it's the same thing that we live under as a people, systems within our states, yet they have their own system. we understand with corporate and company is that there are ways of incentivizing people's payrolls to create some type of productivity. our congress staffers could do the same and they would produce if the payrolls and insurance were back home -- >> host: thank you for the call from alabama. comment? >> guest: i do think the larger point, and i'm

michael sagg, professor and infections disease professor at the university of birmingham -- university of alabama at birmingham. about looking at the reopening that is happening in many states across the country. what are you looking for as possible early indications of spikes as states reopen and the summer ensues, and fall begins? what we are all concerned about is the expansion of cases that happens over time. if we open up too soon, then it casese an increase in that we will see, and they will engage with us in a way that is in cases. spikes what i am expecting to see over the next couple of weeks and months is that we are going to have a slow climb. i do not think we will see a spike. in alabama we have seen since we reopened at the beginning, we had about 180 cases a day, on average. 520 newne 1, we had cases a day. you can see that reopening probably was associated with an increase in cases, but we were also testing a lot more, so you can ask the question was it more testing or new cases? i think it was both. host: was there an inevitability about the rise in cases no matter when the reope

in 1963, thousands of black kids marched to protest segregation in birmingham, alabama, part of a strategykeep the protests nonviolent. but instead they were met with force. we've seen recent demonstrations turn violent across the country. police clark with protesters and kids sometimes caught in the mix. [ crying ] >> reporter: in seattle, police investigating this incident, a young girl allegedly maced by an officer at a protest. >> i'm not here to hurt you. >> reporter: but some officers are trying to change the narrative, this one in houston calming a frighteed 5-year-old after she asks, "are you going to shoot us?" >> you can protest, you can do whatever you want. >> we're all united, power in numbers, and that we can make a difference. everyone sees how many people are protesting. ♪ i look around and see what's being done to my kind ♪ >> reporter: this 12-year-old's cry for equality going viral. his song even shared by president obama. bryant says music is in him and it was his way of expressing his feelings during these times. >> i really have hope that we can change the world with

the plans for it to come down in richmond, virginia, you've got what happened in birmingham, alabama, right, and it is far beyond time for this, but you wrote so powerfully about this, when you made that decision in new orleans in 2017. and i reread that speech last night, you said, we cannot continue to go over, under or around the issue of race. we have to go through it. is that what this country is finally doing? >> i hope so. we have been trying for a long time, and we have done it unsuccessfully. it is very hard to talk about the issue of race, white people particularly don't know how to do it. they don't have any full appreciation for what the african-american community continues to explain to them as institutional racism. we walk by acts of racism and violence all the time and don't notice it and the african-american community recognizes that we don't notice it. the question is whether or not we're going to step up to the plate and to decide to do something different. clearly in the clips you showed with the police, you showed two separate incidents of police officers who were

this is really going to be the beginning of what we've seen in cities across the country, in birmingham, alabamaria alexandria, virginia, other places. finally action being done on some of these monuments, jim. >> that was the roots of the white supremacist demonstration in 2017, the general robert e. lee statue. jeff zeleny, thanks so much. >> sure. >>> let's go to michigan now. one of the first powerful images came out of mid-michigan, images of hope that went viral when violence was escalating across the country. watch this. >> these caps love you. th that cop over there hugs people. tell us what you want us to do. >> walk with us! walk with us! walk with us! >> walk they did, and listen they did, and peace was capped. joining us is sheriff christopher swanson. it's nice to talk with you. i think a lot of us were moved and touched watching that video. you said it was a moment you'll remember for the rest of your life. i want to talk to you about what's next. it was one thing to do what you did, and i think everyone commends that. you walked with them and you listened. what are you going to do

up a teen-ager under the movement and grew up later into my own was that when they went to birmingham, alabama, i believe it was in '63, i was told that they looked for a city where they'd have resistance. and beau connor was the right one because they knew he would fight back. how much do you think, nicole, the fact that you have the inflexii inflexible president donald trump helps to also keep the movement going till we can achieve some concrete results because he is not in any way giving ground that could soften and make people feel in some ways relaxed. but because he is so much reactionary in terms of some of these policies, he keeps people energized that even those of us on the front line may not have been able to energize ourselves. >> absolutely, reverend al. as you know, when dr. king went to albany, georgia and the sheriff there refused to arrest protesters, didn't engage in violence against the protesters, the media didn't care. it was very hard for dr. king to get traction there. they choose to go to birmingham because they knew that beau connor was going to overreact. americans wh

she was born in birmingham, alabama.s a baby to live with her grandmother sharon who wasyears, she met with a tutor on the weekends and took classes through the summer to keep up. she was turned on to science while studying at truman college in chicago. she earned her degree there, even while coping with the death of her mother from an overdose. in 2009, she became an intern at chicago's famed field museum. two years later, she was hired there as a researcher. known for her warm personality and her skill in the lab, she specialized in the study and sequencing of plant dna. she worked on a team that investigate and described a new species of liver wart plant. in 2018, she earned a pair of masters degrees, one in biology where she studied the dna of bird species in m s and anothere became an instructor. she was named a collection associate at the field museum in recognition of her professional accomplishments. her supervisor of more than a decade at the museum told the chicago tribune, she was just one of those people, she

i've had the opportunity to join the senator from alabama coming together with a bipartisan group of senators to read dr. king's letter from the birminghamjail. i want to tha the senator from alabama for his leadership bringing this group together. i had read that letter many times before, but i never read it out loud. i'd never heard the words spok spoken, much less heard them spoken in this historic chamber. i think today is a time every american should listen to those words. today is a time every american should look back at the incredible call to justice that dr. king gave us. this is a time where our nation is grieving. this is a time where there is anger, division, rage. this is a time where our country is divided on racial lines in a way it hasn't been in a long, long time. this is a time where we need to hear a call to unity, a call to unity and a call to justice. dr. king's call was powerful for both -- for unity and for justice. and i had a like to just briefly make three observations about this historic letter. the first is this was a letter from a pastor written to pastors. you know, we refer to dr. king as dr. king. it is ea

the third is a preacher in birmingham, alabama, whos about a half generation older than martin luther king, greatly influenced what king did. this preacher was absolutely brave beyond measure. you talk about how robert was, this guy was equal. so i'm going to give myself the second half of the year. who wants the contractor? who wants the war hero turned politician? and who wants the preach center? see? it's about split. the thing about this book it was easily the hardest thing i ever had to do. i literally had to learn another language, right? it was also easily the most professionally satisfying thing i've ever done. the benefit of the next one is there won't be international travel, all three characters are americans. so thank you, everybody. >>> the best news of the night is paul has left a book up here. so i've got mine. thank you so much, paul, for shake robert's compelling and fascinating story with us. i would like to take a chance to thank him. he did double duty last night. he talk or normandy scholars last night. paul obviously will be in the back signing copies of his book

think the important thing is just getting comfortable with being uncomfortable and i grew up in birmingham, alabama, and you know i. >>knowledge that i have work to do, but i also have a voice and everyone has a voice and everyone needs to engage in these conversations and you know it's so much more them protests since get active and boat and go to your city council meetings and listen to people and have empathy and learn from each other because you know i'm not doing this right no one's doing it right you have to just take a step forward and you have to the okay with just opening up and having conversations it was just awesome so feel everyone happy and the energy and you know not everyone can see it i lives that it's it was it was just really need all the are the strangers was really incredible it sounds like though this was a test of your relationship going up to this with you going out carrying the protests in the eu quinn saying no i'm not going to go that must have caused. >>some friction. >>it did and you know we've been in a relationship for 5 years and we keep learning from each other and

think the important thing is just getting comfortable with being uncomfortable and i grew up in birmingham, alabama, and you know i. >>knowledge that i have work to do, but i also have a voice and everyone has a voice and everyone needs to engage in these conversations and you know it's so much more than protests since get active and boat and go to your city council meetings and listen to people and have empathy and learn from each other because you know i'm not doing this right no one's doing it right you have to just take a step forward and you have to the okay with just opening up and having conversations and so it was just awesome so feel everyone happy and the energy and you know not everyone can see it i lives that it's it was it was just really to be able to share them on strangers was really incredible it sounds like though this was a test of your relationship going up to this with you going out carrying the protests in the eu quinn saying no i'm not going to go that must have caused some friction. >>it did and you know we've been in a relationship for 5 years and we keep learning from each

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