now, trump's origin story is the birther movement is a part of that.ke this declaration as a candidate in 2015. >> donald j trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. >> now, fast forward eight years, and the right-wing has focused their fearmongering on trans people. and who better to go after the new enemy than the old enemy? consider this from 2015. >> we cannot be the warehouse of all these, you know, muslim people coming from these farflung lands where, we are just not gonna be able to control who becomes radicalized, who doesn't because of technology, it's impossible. >> now, if you can believe it, laura ingraham is rallying muslims against folks in schools with lgbtq+ names. >> of catholics and other questions, other faiths, have been waiting for the muslims to step up on this issue. >> and in an interview later with santa for, laura ingraham's guest, we just saw on the screen, couldn't believe how ironic this all is. he said, quote, five years ago, laura was saying we should not have muslims in th

birtherism, bircher birtherism. you know, you can take what you want with the conspiracy, you know, but it did have that echo this idea, you know, in the civil rights era that a movement for an organic, homegrown movement for racial equality and social justice that that was a movement imported the kremlin. right. it was alien to the us and and so i think that a kind of explicit racism and then i would say on top of that there were just a lot of i would say racist and anti-semites who were either in the movement or who saw the movement as an ally. and and, you know, i have a lot of evidence in the book for that. and i was not going into the book thinking that i would necessarily find that much. but you know it's funny. george wallace, one of his top aides, said wallace at one point he was he said, you know, you could pick a moderate vice president, right. not as your nominee, because, look, we already have we have the nuts in the country. we have the kkk okay, we have the citizens council and we got the john birchers

. >> well, i mean certainly i agree but donald trump remember i just want us to go back to birtherism. he was really laying the foundation for his run and i think to chay's point, coming off as a quite sincere racist because he spent years cultivating that image. so i think he was able to come out more authentic in the way he was going to flip the southern strategy. remember when nixon perfected the strategy that said oh, you know, doesn't appeal to enough voters to be outwardly racially offensive so we'll just signal by saying things like state's rights and things that signal to people who are concerned about the changing demographics of the country or who are anti civil rights that i'll be their person. and donald trump really turned that on its head. he said no, no, no. we can just go ahead and forget the southern strategy and just be blatant about our xenophobia and about not wanting or liking civil rights and about thinking black people or native people or any other people who are different are somehow a threat to us and i can use that. i can use that. and he built that brand, wh

. >> maggie: he was using the birther like to elevate himself because he saw that it worked and he wasbefore he started talking about it in interviews. he was using it in a very -- incredibly cynical politics and he refused to get off of it and we all thought we were fact-checking him and in fact we were just spreading myths further which i think something else we have to think about in terms of how we do our jobs. >> stephen: if you shouldn't ignore him and what he is saying our lives, but by checking the lies you repeat the lies and drive them into people's heads so they forget that they are lies and only remedy accusations, what's left? >> maggie: at this point we can't ignore him. we should have done things different lien 2011 even though i think the media was correct f. i just think we thought about what the effect was because he exists in these ten minute increments of time but we exist in 24 hours. spiro after take a quick break but when i come back, i'll ask maggie about the moment she susd he might have taken more documents than he should have from the white house. stick aroun

hundreds of millions of dollars going into the wrong kind of such education and where we all to center birther'sic amazing thing that we can do and to center those bodies as the experts in their own experience and in their own care that would change the ballgame but what we know is that everything from accessing abortion care which everyone deserves to have that right to having a wanted pregnancy going to a hospital a lot of people are having the kind of care where they are coerced into exams they don't necessarily want in my survey i found that in lots of data overtime we see that the practices, the basic practices of pregnancy the pelvic, exam the electronic fetal monitoring and all of these things that we sort of accept as the kind of care we need when we show up in the hospital to have our babies don't have a firm foothold in evidence they sort of move pregnant people along through an assembly line because that's what's most profitable in a hospital environment but what we are now seeing with the mortality rate and these awful numbers is that there is a tremendous cost to pay because this ca

just to summarize, the right wingers, the conspiracy theorists, the birther's, they now want us to forgetmuslims in islamic. ten years ago, standing against syria lot was the key gop litmus test. now that litmus test seems to be how fervently transgender people -- just list of what trump had to say about that, if he doesn't exactly know why he's attacking them. >> it is amazing how strong people feel about that. you see them talking about cutting taxes, talking about transgender, everyone goes crazy. who would've thought it a go, five years ago they don't know what it was. >> so what you just heard in that -- that sounds an awful lot like, and reminiscent of what george wallace, a staunch segregationist once told a newspaper editor. quote, you know i tried to talk about good roads and good schools, and all these things that have been part of my career and no one listens. >> i began talking about black people and they stomped the floor. so, let's be clear, this is the same ole gop playbook. a cynical ploy to carry the fabric of our society and damage the idea that out of many we are one, a