landscape and crypto for example there's a crew has featuring a debate with people that support bitcoin kaz versus bitcoin for it they seems to be a complete hundred eighty degrees removed from what's happening why this is an important industry they've lost it they've lost the plot what do you think about that statement i do i think there's a lot of people in the industry that aren't really thinking about how people are going to actually use botching rakes is what we talk about is most people don't understand the internet they don't know what's going on in the back and they're just logon to facebook and want to be on facebook you know they don't care about servers and switches and you know same thing no one's going to care about the block change people are not going to get educated on what are distributed you know ledger is you know mutable lead like they don't care they only care about what is it going to do what kind of apps are going to come out how's it going to impact their life are going to make things better you know hopefully what are the value propositions and so to us we know in t