and then if there are bivens claims, we think there are allegations that would survive. but we do recognize that this would that that a ruling on qualified immunity here would cut back on damages claims against individual agents, but we think that's appropriate in light of the difficulties they face. >> you know, i really i really don't understand what the government is doing here. it seems to me you want to win this case, but not too big. [laughter] in in light of the arguments waived below and the arguments not made here, you want us to find for you, but on the narrowest possible ground. i would think it is in the interest of the united states and the secret service to say there are no bivens first amendment actions, but you don't make that argument. didn't make it below -- don't make it here. likewise, it would be in their interest to say, oh, this is just like a traffic stop. it doesn't matter whether we had a a bad motive so long as there was an objective reason, that's the end, but you don't make that argument here either. i i really can't understand what the gover

his challenger matt biven has all the same views. so, is the tea party losing here or has it simply taken over? >> well, in a lot of ways, again, per speaker boehner's point, there is no real dissension anymore between the two candidates. i think that you also have to imagine that most of these folks will do whatever at all is possible for political expediency. they will say that they don't support obamacare, but they'll rename it something else and support that, especially in kentucky, we know that to be the case. so i think that it's just one of those things where he'll do whatever is necessary to get to this primary season, and when it comes time to the general and he has to veer a little bit more to the left to win some left-leaning votes, he's going to probably do that. >> but kasie, isn't the problem when he veers to the center maybe, in november, he's got to deal with all of the videotapes and the items that he sent here to try and hold off bevin, and the fact is, for example, his opposition to the affordable care act in kentu

christin bivens domingo. okay, carolyn. >> [inaudible]. [laughter] >> sore, this is dr. carolyn brown from the san francisco community clinic consortium. do you have a copy of your presentation as well? >> i do not. >> can we have a copy for the file for the clerk? >> i certainly will do that. >> okay, thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is carolyn brown. pardon my [speaker not understood]. i'm the chief dental [speaker not understood] for the san francisco community clinic consortium. i was also the dental director for the native american health center in the mission district for the past 13 years up until about a week ago. and the dental safety net in san francisco works very hard to try and address all of the dental decay in our city. however, it continues to be one of the highest unmet needs among any type of vulnerable population polled or evaluated in this city. [speaker not understood] exposure to unhealthy diet and sugar sweetened beverages. so, san francisco community clinics partners see about 38,000 dental patient visits per year and it's all in the low-inco

would there be a valid bivens claim? >> your honor, the question would depend on whether there was a valid security rationale. i think in the context of a motorcade -- >> the rationale is just it's more likely that the people who are against the president would be harmful to him than the people who are for him. >> your honor, i think that would be a much more difficult case in the context of a motorcade where the security of the president is much different than when the president is on an outdoor patio separated only by a small fence. and i do think that that is one of the major differences between where the the treatment of the pro-bush protesters and the anti-bush protesters here is that the an allegation that could be based on differential treatment because the pro-bush protesters were in position to see the motorcade when it left and therefore, as the complaint alleges in paragraph 55, that that somehow undermines the agents' security rationale for moving the anti-bush protesters during the meal, it just doesn't wash