joining us now the aforementioned hero, bjorn lomborg, president of the copenhagen consensus. you're -- bjorn, so you're debunking another one of these incredible charges. wildfire fires are not wrecking the planet, the earth or the u.s. >> well, they're still a problem, but they're a smaller problem, and you need to though this. so we have -- know this. so we have good data from back in 1900, and it's dropped from burning about 4.2% of the planet down to 2.5. it's almost a halving. andre what we're likely to see n the future is even more regression. we're going to see less. why? because people actually don't want stuff to burn. so they induce fire suppression, they make forest management, theyt do smart strategies so we don't see as much fire. larry: so this, let me just you are sue this point. you said why, because people are doing responsible things. they understand the risk and the dangers, is that right? >> yes. larry: and so this goes along with your view which i completely support. if the we leave a lot of this climate management if issues to private sector, to technolog

bjorn lomborg wrote it and he joins us now.by 2030. what new technology are you talking about? spell it out for us. >> if i knew what the exact technology would be i would be betting on the market and i would be very, very rich but the point here is, if you look how civilizations solve almost all problems in the world it has been through technology. you don't solve problems, by telling people, could you do with less, could you have a less nice life? could you freeze a little more in the winter, drive a little less in your car? you do this through technological innovation. there is lot of potential ways. obviously one of them would be more solar and more wind with lots and lots of cheap batteries. it could be figures, fusion, the guy who cracked the human genome has an idea growing oil on the ocean surface with gene modified algae. that could be one way. there are lots and lots of ideas. we need one that will power the rest of the 21st century. stuart: could it come in time? could you have significant technological developments

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