many of them are members of the bjp. so the question of him having no knowledge or no complicity, no involvement, is something that people are still debating. i for one do not think that that is a thing that's -- the last word is not being said in that case yet. >> hang on a second, okay? he has never been convicted. and india's a democracy. so i don't think you can not issue someone a visa when he's not even convicted. i take offense to that. and i don't think that's really the case. i mean, you have to wait, there's due process. >> correct. >> he's been vindicated so far. so there's no reason. and it's in the past. now it's in the future. we're now here today. and i think modi has forgiven the whole incident on his side. he could have taken afront and said, i'm not going to visit the united states. the first thing he did was he got a call from president obama, he returned it, he tweeted about it. he's become great friends with the u.s. so i think we've got to look at the present and stop looking at the past. >> how thi