they say he does not know anything, just blabbing about nothing, and yet, here sanders is having wontraight, one of primary in wisconsin. mark: in the culture of the new , maybe for sanders voters, hillary supporters also -- it creates a fire that keeps him from breaking through. john podhoretz: that is the question, how stoked are hillary supporters anywhere? her voters in the exit poll in wisconsin said 13% were enthusiastic about her possibility of being president, 13%. i don't think there is stoking, i don't know they are stoked. that is the question. mark: you are out 3000 miles, you hillary clinton in the state. it is now a decade since she was elected statewide, elected twice statewide as senator and 2006. does she still have a real hold over the new york necrotic electorate, or is she vulnerable here -- democratic electorate, or is she vulnerable here? adam nagourney: i would not question for a second that she still has a hold. she lived through the campaign, she gets the culture, so she knows. winning with her husband, she has run two campaigns, so three campaigns. she knows