we have black. we we've seen a erosion of black institution, whether that be in media space, whether that be each with each of his views, whether that be black economic centers and economic centers. right. there are any number of reasons these things, like i said, in some cases of these economies, environments set up explicitly because the denial of access, almost all of them are set up that way. and so now that there was access to other spaces, better resource spaces understandably see a splintering of the population and yet because of that you start to lose some of your sense of shared collective black identity, both cultural and right. what we also now see in a more globalized world, a post-internet world right, is a world where there where people now the ability and access to information in some ways even specifically to be connected to the places where they are from to, trace their ancestry in ways that they had not before to connect with the diaspora writ large. right. and so in some ways what

and i say by black, not because i hate people who are not black. it's just that black businesses are under supported and i'm not going to support them. no one else will. the activist has become a kind of online detective, exposing businesses that are white owned, but sell products marketed to the black community. this is one of the most historic largest black hair products ever. this brand proudly boasts it's family history, particularly it's african american origins. but the website suggests otherwise is i had to go to terms of use who is going to go to terms of use here i am in terms of use. thank you for visiting our site, which is owned and operated by l'oreal usa. that tells me thank you, black woman for giving me all your money and giving it to the l'oreal family. a do believe that laurie out intentionally does not put their name on the company brands website. if they were to know that the money that they spent on hair products, just like any other person, was going to the world's witches woman. and that she was white and in france. and from

what is it mean to be black in america? >> i am an african person a black person. i did not know t the first 18 years of my life and this is one reason the work i didn't know black writers existed until i got to college. i went to integrated schools in new jersey, shout for my home state of new jersey be my second family from south carolina on a first-generation norther iselin is a black single black mother raised me culturally. she sent me too schools to get education she did not know going to the schools were actually hate myself,e too hate my skin, my nose, lips, everything. it's part of being a student k-12 all i remember us black folks were slave is a paragraph or two on doctor king had a dream and rosa parks give up her seat. great terms was made a popular and necessary popular in antiracism for me the first thing about being black is no you are black you know yourbu history being rooted in and understand you cannot separate the contributions of african people to this place called america. i'm not comfortable just saying america's african-american because i s

say i need to buy black, i need to be black, i need to respect black.hink that the music is going to shift in the next five years, i think that young people, these 12, 13, 14 year olds are going to save us, like they've got it. what are your thoughts on this, dr. kendi, and then of course, ladee. >> so, i think what i'm finding is everything you just described in terms of that sort of ways of black people who in many ways are embracing themselves, complicating themselves, recognizing that they're imperfectly equal with other groups of people, really sort of diving into their humanity, really even, you know, as ladee stated, thinking past this sort of confrontation between blackness and whiteness and, but i also think that we are in a moment when there are more and more black folks who are seeing and pursuing opportunities to destroy black people. and there are so many, you know-- let me give you an example. this election cycle, you know, many of our progressive black congresswoman and men are facing candidates who are rallying against, quote, crp, are f

it may via black chinese. ah, so that's a good question though, because all over the world we have products me, you know, in china they get their raw material from africa. the young entrepreneur is doing all he can to help establish an all black economy. today he's about to take it a step further. he plans to close his current bank account. why? because his bank, one of the country's largest, is owned by a white man and sharif abdul malik is not a log killer. mike. the famous wrapper has launched an appeal calling of african americans to transfer their money to one on a list of black owned banks. you can go to your bank tomorrow. take your money. superstars like usher and singer. solange knowles, beyonce sister, had followed suit since then the hash tag bank black has been gaining popularity so much though that over $20000000.00 had been transferred to black owned banks. all this important that our dollars in our community rest with arrest in a black on being a mainly because we can trust that these banks have

i was a fat black woman y. i was a black woman with a short natural.nytime i step into a space, a man told me i was losing my battle with being a black man as a protest in march. like, to my face. which is to say people already have an idea, not just among white. about black folks about who gets to speak for them, about who gets torepresent the things . so every d talk, there like your body is already loud and you have the nerve to be loud on top of it. then you have the nerve to talk about sexuality as though anybody would want fuck you. so i'm like all you can do is kill me but until that point i'm going to go ahead and say the things because the difference between my condition of whatever this is freedom or unfreedom as i can say it and i don't expect you to come through the door tomorrow so i better say it right now because there are people here who need to know just like weneeded jacobs to say , i had to sort of negotiate that thing so if you fight from the position you have to negotiate know that that and that negotiation is a part of black polit

community is not black racism, it's black mail cowardice. it's us black men not defending our family, not defending our neighbors. not just not defending, we're shooting, killing, carjacking, smashing, selling dope. what work, will take care of all children, just acting the fool . it takes bravery and strength for a man to get up and go to work every day and bring money home to take care of his children takethem to church over the weekend . that's bravery. and we have now is a bunch of counters that are going on that is actually, what people are explaining it away. racism. >> you talk about sermonizing . the emasculation of men, making men forget about what their roles are . and that is important. >> it is. like you in the rural south, strong father. he's sitting up there in a quarter with a shotgun, nobody bothered me when i was growing up . nobody. >> he had a gun in the glove compartment. >> these were men that understood, nobody bothered them because they understood they were men. now they want to esermonizing men and make them believe b

or black people or black for people. they can then develop a more healthy sort of sense of self. >> doctor, let's go to doctor green's question. in this new renaissance in black literature and if so in what ways . >> it does seem like it is a very specific moment and i think other people have spoken to that in terms of people sort of cleaning their voices. and a distance so i just was listening to what everybody's saying that it is true because i in terms of self-expression and stuff like that i do think a lot of hatred of others that is passed stemmed from a lack of self love and sort of makes you feel very threatened i think. different often when you don't have the resources to sort of respect and love yourself. so i think again, i think this speaks to being conscious of these things. inlike what you're talking about racism as a source of threats that is actually being a health issue for a lot of black people and people of color, a lot of women. and men but a lot of women as well i, to acknowledge these things and to s

i want her to date a black person. black excellence isn't limited to athletics and popular music. it's also at home in the world of business, and the professional elite don peebles is a black entrepreneur who made his way to the top. as if i just finish with irving. ah, but he is assured me that he'll have it finishes weekend. peebles is a property developer, and one of the richest african americans in the united states. his estimated net worth is $700000000.00. he's a staunch believer in capitalism as the path to success. i see capitalism 1st i see the, you know, the massive amount of development and the massive amount of people working and doing business. it reminds you of, you know, how america was built based upon capitalism. and i see great opportunity. originally from washington, d. c, and the son of a civil servant and a real estate broker. he became a real estate agent at 22. he bought his 1st building soon after band was a millionaire. by the time he turned 30, i grew up during a time of transition in america during the civil rights movement in the united states. and so i

business and black business ownership currently black women hold the most black businesses of any demographic in the country. however, the gains the potential gains of that have not been seen black women are also the population that has the least amount of wealth in this country. from your from your book you speak about entrepreneurship as this gateway to opportunity but also as one that has been built over time. is it relates to black people being able to have to have access how do you translate that into what is being seen today? because entrepreneurship is continually pressed throughout the community. that's something that regardless of what part are you stand for entrepreneurship is something that feel as though the black community definitely jumps a hold of but with that being said, they aren't necessarily seeing that those same gains even though the numbers in terms of black entrepreneurship are there. me yeah, so we first take a look at some of the policy issues that we could address and that's in the economic freedom section. we draw a lot on michael tanner's book the inclusive econom

, black women. we have rappers than ever being killed by each other. that says to me, in spite of all the so-called, there is a profound self-hatred, profound self-hatred which is a result of racism that permeates everything that we do, which leads to rappers murdering each other in the record numbers, leads to one black man slapping another man on a stage, at least two people disrespecting. dr.. i mean, judge brown. jackson whether she's black that says that we got some serious work to do. and the reason why black literature is necessary is because literature is the one place where we can question and try to figure out, well, why is this going on? how much of that is curation how much urinating right now, right. how much of that is what we see? not always be all that there is as it relates to the music, as it relates to the music, how many of us are producing? you know, it's what sells, right? i, i was talking with ibram kendi about this, you know, what's on the list, the bestseller list, who publi

cats and for unity, chaos and mostly black preachers and black; organizers and that was my first book, and there's a sequel to this and is astounding it is all these types of connection to ther democratc party and found out number one goal was a mix of percent of the lock mode party. by crook pretty and is with you been doing it, slave master pretty. >> will it's fascinating because in one of your chapters talk about god and you use a plan works but what you say, when you look at and talk about this in your book and the education the high crime in the homicide and how it is just so heavily concentrated in these communities the elite in connection to the leadership who have relinquished the law and obligations in the leadership obligations to make sure the new plantation, you keep them as slaves and keep them dependent to make the belief that there's always racism and so there's no need of a right because you will be pushback and discriminated against especially when you have all of these other cases that you see, which reinforces out in the right to use it as leverage to further think

sympathy gushes black? >> guest: they want people under black people to understand you can't deserve it. everything you get come for me. black people can work in in a cotton field and in the field or whole season and at the in the master will give them what he wants them to have. >> host: how is republican party any better? >> guest: the only thing that makes the republican party any better is a fact that they do not have in their platform the murder of children, the destruction of the family, the fact that they are against religious liberties. we got to understand something that there is a divide in america lgbtq and the church and the state and all this kind of stuff, and you have people like you and and i believe in res liberty. you don't have to agree with me. >> host: but why can't the republican party with always 25 lies that you discuss so well researched in your book, why don't they capitalize on it? you would think, where the blacks were, were, huge part of the republican party almost 80-90%. why i

black, white, asian. we'll have to all agree but i tell my children, they've neverm been rude or accrued to anybody. just leave that person alone. there is no virtue in us being -- not aggression is a christian value. >> saying this is what happens when government tries to replace god and remove him and when you think about god and you mentioned jesus, they would laugh at you. >> they say you can't even have him in the public square with a will allow you to put anything else of the they bring in drag queens to read to the children and other nasty books for children to read. >> and you can't't tell them, you've got to make the all feel good. >> we have a policy disagreement. this is about a party to destroy this nation. slavery to confederacy and now again with socialism and atheism. it's very seductive. you depend on me, i'll give you everything you need. >> not prosecuting crime. >> no -- no bail, he phoned the police. t they have to t make you insecur. if they have anarchy, they have control. when peopl

there was some black support but not all black support.ervative suburbs there were multiple forces that defeated the initiative but one reason is in some ways the government is a vehicle for progress for black folks. you can get a job as a teacher or you know in a government office. that is your ticket out of poverty so that kind of divides black communities but we also see public schools as a way to employment. >> yeah so with regards, i'll talk a little bit about the way that housing affects this debate because of course i don't know what compel us the right term but whene you have a school district you do have the value of your home associated with the district, right? so that's not really just in some sense that that's the case at the moment so that the status quo will be hard to overcome. getting back to the home values if the district is different from what it is right now i think we need to be realistic about thed public choices we as veteran front of us on the reasons we keep that momentum going is we have to push through some the

black soldiers in the black community remain forever hopeful. when you are hopeful, that means you believe no matter what transpires, the outcome is bent towards the greater good. first sergeant vance in 1927, while living at fort what you gonna was asked to give a talk to a conviction -- convention of sunday school teachers in mcnary, arizona, a lumber camp town of about 1500 people. several african-american men were imported to mcnary to work at the sawmill. the audience happened to be made up of mostly these migrant african-american workers. the title of his speech was " reminiscence of a trooper at fort apache in 1900." after talking briefly about his experiences around fort apache, mark banks served over 40 plus years in the military. his son went on to serve as a tuskegee airmen and a medical professional in the field of aerospace medicine. essentially, he grew up on a military base, because that is where his dad spent most of his time. after talking briefly about his experiences around fort apache, he then goes on to make an eloquent stat

country, just 500 black women. right. the numbers for black african-american architects is not that much bigger. so we're talking about small number of people. but the imprint design wise is huge. it's. yeah. and we we we pay attention to some of the more noted architects, but we tend to ignore because some of them did some great. you know office buildings. but then they are also doing, you know, houses developments, communities and so these areas that are getting gentrified are being, you know, raised for other properties. you're losing that design esthetic, that history. so that's absolutely incredible. yeah, that's why i love birmingham and if anyone gets a chance to tour, yes, birmingham will. so you all know the birmingham is beloved in my heart and it has one of the most amazing rights legacies. but many people will walk that national monument and not realize that the masonic temple was by architect robert taylor. they won't realize. that 16th street baptist church in, the parsonage building, was designed by

while black girls care about black girls all the time. the ways and we say no one cares about us against a race we have internalized something about our nobody nests. and so schooling did not make it, as it could have done. but here are some resources but it's not because i don't believe the gravity of what is happening in school is important. let me introduce about some of the disappeared but process. let me introduce the problem of and the impact it has on black girls for example. was away we often specifically gendered homelessness. young black girl and young black girls at the center of this and the connections it has to trafficking are often part of systems that lead to my being on house, right? in doing so. but violence in detention centers. and i briefly mentioned in here and i have an image of the whistleblower in the detention center in georgia it's forcefully sterilizing detained women. look at the women who were sterilized most from africa and haiti. think about how anti- zone chapter of thinking and the forced sterilization. t

men, the clinton crime bill, started asking black intelligentsia why does a black man get backed up like this, in 1990 they had 40 on that case. they told me it was a bunch of rich white republicans who hated black people so i left my post working in the ghettos and i saw no rich white republicans down there. you would see a leprechaun before you someone. i saw a bunch of black democrats, the entities outside making money off the chaos, black politicians, black civic organizations, the iron triangle, that is my first book, this is a sequel to that and as i studied and saw these were connected to the democrat party and found out their number one goal was to make sure they get 90% of the black vote for the democrat party period, full stop by hook or by crook and that is what they have been doing, the old slave master crew. >> host: we talk about god will hold you responsible, play on words but what do you say when you look at, you talk about this in your book, about education, the, high crime rate, homicide, how it is so heavily concentrated in these communities do you believe there i

they are impressing free black man, they are impressing enslaved black man. but only to work on foreign fortifications. only to work on the capacity that has been according to them, property to be used at the will of enslavers first and the state second. on the other hand the united states and black men are looking at man power not just as means of labor and fighting power, but power as men. the presence in the armed services of the nation affords legitimate sea and citizenship which has not been positive majority of black americans at this point. the idea man power is twofold for black americans. i think it's very appropriate theater tonight. black americans in the midst of all of this, the confederacy's, refusing to use the 4 million, about 4 million military aged enslaved black man within the confederacy for those purposes. for military efforts. black americans are basically acting out of their own self interest wherever opportunities are possible, they have a variety of means in which to do this. this is very much apparent by the initial acts of self eman

black women sexuality in black women agency. >> black women have been entered into the conversation,body will be used to make money -- not some other person on my behalf. one of the most shocking things i've heard in recent years is not something that i knew earlier in my career. she wast accused out one point, she has run out of new york because she was accused of sexually abusing a child. the accusations, it was a false accusation, but she was accused of sexual abuse. here's the thing that is interesting. a black luminary that i study and write about was also accused of being sexually inappropriate with the child because of foster kids that she raised that look 17 started writing her love letters. it was used to discredit her entire career. we know black women can be sexual predators, but i'm also saying that there is a way that assertive smart black edwoman in a particular moment, the history often gets overlaid onto their sexuality even when you are a sexual and practiceos like someone who is mostly known and somehow accusations get laid over her 50 something-year-old body. that

black soldiers in the black community remain forever hopeful. when you are hopeful, that means that you believe no matter what transpires, the outcome is bent towards the greater good. . i. first sergeant fancy h march banks in the 1927 while living at fort what shaka, was asked to give a talk to a convention of sunday school teachers at make mary arizona. it was a lumber camps town of about 1500 people. there were several african american men who were imported into make married to work at the sawmill, and the audience at the time actually happened to be made up of mostly these migrants african american workers. so the title of his speech was reminiscent of a trooper at for the patchy in 1900. after talking briefly about his experiences around 40 patchy, march banks served over 40 plus years in the military. in fact, his son went on to serve as a tuskegee airmen and was a packed breaking medical professional in the field of arrow and space medicine. and he essentially grow up. his son, which happens to be march banks junior, grew up on a militar

most black preachers most black politicians most blacks civic organizers. call them the iron triangle. that was my first book. this is a sequel to this. and as i studied and saw these cats were connected to the democratic party and found out that their number one goal. with to make sure they got 90% of the black vote for the democratic party period full stop by hook about crook. and that's what they've been doing for the last i mean, they're just for me they're descendants of those safe master crew, you know, you know, it's fascinating because in one either chaps you talk about god won't hold you responsible. it's just a play on words, but what you're saying? when you look at and you talk about this in your book the decimal results about education the high crime right the homicide right and how it's just so heavily concentrated and these communities you actually believe there's a connection between the leadership. who have relinquished their moral? and obligation and a leadership obligation to make sure that the new plantation you keep them as slaves. you k

black men. defending our families we are the provocateurs of violence will take care of the children. it takes bravery to take care of his wife and his children go too church on the weekend so people are explaining it away. >> and making men forget about what their roles are and that is important. >> so then setting up in the corner that nobody bothers me. nobody. just in case but then they understood now they want them to believe that to be a man there is no definition to that anymore. >> if they said i want to take maternity leave. [laughter] you say i have to work. it was a thing to fight in the neighborhood. we grew up in a time you had to be tested you fight with your brothers it's over with come back inside you are fine and now we teach them to christ. >> you fight through that. >> it does exist but you were told to fight through it you are looked upon as a man to control yourself or cancel yourself and you are supposed to talk about everything. >> we have mothers and grandmothers ten or 1

black >> organizers. those my first book. the management of blackman for the democratic party. by hook or by crook. and that's what they have been doing the slave master crew protect its fascinating's to play on words, you talk about this in your book. a high crime, homicide so heavily concentrated who have relinquished their moral obligation to keep them of make them believe discriminate against we have always in the race cases that you see should leverage further therefore let us feature you cannot feed yourself reportsta of fill plantation is in. it is just there to more likely can't hear the truth the soviet union to that to their people they beat them down and beat them down. the schools are terrible. they destroyed every institution from the father to the education system, invented. the democratic party perpetually pried the evilest institution from 1850 killed millions almost a million americans kept as slaves. then, they destroyed reconstruction. after reconstruction after 100 years of jim crow sy

families in black communities and black girls. so how she takes up the issue for example, is really rich and interesting andmp compelling, bh of us thinking about her, me through one lens and her through that lens. people like patrice douglas, andrea ritchie, there such -- sarah haley, there are really incredible people and that's why i did a lot of citations in the book and hope people look to the citations and see who i'm in conversation with. this is collaborative. this book is only possible that hundreds of organizers and thinkers, creators, everyday folk commenting on this that this book exists and those stories exist. i'm hopeful this is part of a conversation and not the conversation about black girls in women. >> can i just real quick also applaud, i want to applaud your citations because i think not enough riders press think of citation as a work of generosity, and as a work of like lineage, do you know what you mean? >> yes. >> for those of us who grew uphe in the '90s, and grew up reading on records, we understand the c

in the black community.or me it was a step-by-step process who i was as a black person period. is answered it to the lower animals and then i begin that processs. >> we all studied for years and years you have been doing book but it's also how we engage with eachh other. but then to push back the answer is that then it shows that racism itself is a constructor. so for me that's what it does seem like ityo is a very specific moment when other people have spoken in terms of claiming their voices. but in terms of self-expression i do think a lot of hatred of others stems from a lack of self-love that the conscious of these things that you were talking about with racism as a source of stress that iss a health issue. and again i'm'm coming at these things like a writer fiction. and for self-expression it is a lifeline. african-americans is not new. but was like it is it's like a convergence. but i think just the witnessing that and processing that has had an effect, i think, on a lot of black people, a lot of bla

it says in terms of black female sexuality and black sexuality do you feel black lgbt q plus sexualitydered taboo and how can we start conversations that includes them? there for you on the screen as well. >> i try to do that in my books because not that i always have a protagonist but still having at least one i remember when i was writing taxi, mother and daughter are queer, taxi comes to america in a reconvening romantic history in brooklyn meanwhile leaving true conforming -- falling in love with her best friend and i remember my own best friend, before starting the book, mother and daughter are queer? what? i got scared, what am i doing? this is career suicide. we are books of always been the back of the bookstore. all the black books as well interestingly enough but that was the norm, a bookstore when i was in college was always like that, hide behind the bookstore and read but now, i said to myself i am not going to do that. i started writing to see myself on the page. i'm writing for that little square black girl in the middle of kingston who thinks she is alone in this world s

black art is a substitute argument which is why the absolute freedom of black art to exist utwith out reference to politics is sometimes burdensome to artists who say i cannot live, i cannot breathe, i cannot be irreverent. can i say something that might remind you of the stereotype but i'm trying to do a carol owalker, i'm trying to use that stereotype to affect your freedom or snoop dogg, somebody he was going to deploy those stereotypes in a problematic manner. we have the freedom to express that but creaky that and the burden of responsibility, the burden of representation as james baldwin turns it is extremely powerful and ever present with artists. there's brad does brad pitt have to worry about licensing sacrifice when he takes on a character that youmight think that the entire white race will be judged according to what he plays but then there's that burden unfairly and unjustly . so when he played that cop in training, when they had the doctor dre joint. actually the words for which jay-z wrote , jay-z from the east coast caused a brilliant west coast black, and i was keeping

black voters were a source of pride in defending the black community.all right, james young the third, would be a source of pride because they were reviewed by then president william mckinley on december 31st 1898, and received a special accommodation from the secretary of war. yet despite being a source of great pride, the third was not received at home with a hero's welcome about the rights of their state. in fact, while young and the third were gone, the state legislature -- that would not allow blacks to serve in these states national guard. however, this did not prevent members from continuing in the military service. after the third was mustered out, at least five officers from the third commission in two of the all-black volunteer regiments that went on to fight in the philippines. james and continue to support military service, in fact during world war i he was called upon by the service community to help with the recruitment of african americans to join the armed forces. james young organized, served in the military because he believed in the b

/evolution of black folks/black community in movies? >> alana, i certainly do. ryan kugler, chadwick boseman, jordan peele, they're all in this book, so, it really is a sweeping history. all of the current names that we know, they are here in this book. >> and that leads sort of interestingly into this next question, which is do you have an opinion about recent films/series that put african-americans at the center of narratives that they've been kept out of in the past? i'm thinking especially of shows like hollywood and craft country. >> long overdo, i'm happy to see it's happening more. it's happening more on the small screen, you know, and that's a good thing. hulu is doing some great work, apple is doing some great work, h.b.o., showtime, i mean there is some great work being done on the small screen. it seems that the people who run the small screen and the streaming services have just spread their arms and they've said come, we will set up a writers room and you can go do your thing. and i think that that is a very beautiful thing

children in black communities and black girls.nd how she picks her up and really rich and interesting is so thinking of her through that lens and all the others. incredible people so there are a lot of citations in the book hopefully people willol look to see who is in conversation this is only possible by the hundreds of organizers and creators and everyday folks commenting on this that this book exist in the stories exist so i'm hopeful to be part of the conversation if not the conversation. >> real quick i want to applied yours citations because i feel not enough writers think of citations as a work of generosity. but for those of us who grew up reading the liner notes on the back of records. [laughter] we understand the citations expands the lineage so thank you for your citations. >> yes. there are lots. [laughter] but i do this and community and for those i feel a counter on —- accountable to and those to be engaged with. and that we inhabit and with that robust citation of an effort and anan exercise in collaboration and ac

black people. and i would say to people, i think listen to birthing people and because it's interesting, sometimes i have sort of the most means dream kind of people pushing back against some of these ideas. i realize they're not really listening big everywhere i go, people telling me stories of what happened to them. i get, oh, is are people vaccine hesitant or afraid? black people afraid to go into the health care system because of tuskegee? i was like, no, they're afraid from what happened to them in the system yesterday. i was thinking about this because for book i got to good. i mean reviews one was in the new york times book review it'll be on the cover on sunday. oh, well, congratulations. thank you. and the other is in the washington post. and both of these reviews shared a near tragic birth story. one was a tragic birth story. one was a miscarriage. and the family was treat the. parents were treated. so badly, they called the the you know, the lost pregnancy a demise, which is, you know, o

families in black communities and black. how she takes up mickey, for example is really rich and interesting and compelling that both of us thinking about her me through one lens and her through that lens. people like patrice douglass, miriam kaba, andre richie. there's such a thing as sara haley, really incredible people. and that's also why i did a lot of citations in the book and hope that people look the citations to see who i am in conversation with. this is collaborative is a solo authored book that's only possible by the hundreds of organizers, thinkers, creators, everyday folks on this that this book exist and stories exist. so i'm hopeful that this is part a conversation and not the converse sation about black girls and women women. can i just real quick also applaud i want to applaud your citations because i not enough perhaps think of citation as a work of generosity and as a work of like lineage expansion, you know? yes. but for those of us who grew up in the nineties and grew up reading liner notes on the back o

aydin, duke at black linebackers, like running backs can lack wide receivers, black everything. he was the first black quarterback at duke, this was 1975. and so i called the editor who edited the stories because he put in sidebar, too. and i said what he doing here? what difference is a make what color he is? and he said john, he's a first black quarterback duke has ever had. that's part of the story. and if i think i was furious. and the funny thing was when i was working on this book and i was talking to doug williams who as you know rode the forward, first black quarterback to ever win a super bowl, and i go way back with a doug, and a telling that story and he laughed at me and he said what, where you naÏve. of course they're going to put that in the story. >> that was one of my first experience with dealing with the fact that race is always there in one form or another. and then in 2010 there were other incidents, and i obviously know a lot of black athletes and black coaches through the years, but in 2010 donovan mcnabb came to play quarterback here in washington. and in