: you guys give black men a hard time. >> black men give black women a hard time.e scandal because of that. >> because kerry washington character is involved with a white man. >> larry: now i'm never watching it. >> when i see a black woman with a white man or with someone outside the race i tend to be like girl, you get it. i know you tried. >> i will say this though, we have to also again, think historically, we know as a fact that in this country black boys in third grade that's when teachers start to fear them and they detract and all of a sudden they are a threat to their teacher a classmate and so we're starting this at a really young age. >> larry: there is a whole lot of social logical reasonsing especially when you are talking about class. you are talking about education. some people never get to be candidates. and that sort of thing. and that's a much longer conversation. but i will come back to the whole-- does that touch a nerve. >> sure does. >> larry: why does that touch a nerve. >> because who is saying it. frostiness goes with the attitude that they

when we say black lives matter doesn't mean that black lives matter just a black folks. it means black lives matter so what is it in how is it that you do things that help us to amplify? you are welcome. i'm here all night. >> hi. so my question is, it seems like i guess i can only speak from my own experience but i have my narrative about what black lives matters means to me and my parents also have a narrative and there are a lot of differences and the differences often seem to be counter-narratives that can fit together in some ways. i don't know if this is something that is generational and if you have seen this before and i guess how do we deal with narratives that seem to not sit? do you understand? >> i do understand that it's difficult for me to answer the question wholly without knowing specifics so maybe we can do it not on television. [laughter] but i think that the one thing that i would hope is that there is a common denominator. the common denominator would be that you and your folks understand black lives matter. so the roads that you take to get there mig

this, in a city that is two-thirds black. but outrage outrage over the shooting death of michael brown and the broken system of justice that it revealed has helped convince more black candidates to run for office. dwairgdwargqatar geraldino has the story. >> patricia vines the democratic committee woman for ferguson township. she encouraged more to run. >> how many candidates were directly influenced by his death? >> i would say all were. if you lived in ferguson there was no way could you not have been influenced. >> brown's death was a catalyst, but each had their own interaction by ferguson's police department. >> my children had been stopped. i didn't do anything. i was complacent. >> i was pulled over and sat on the curb and my car searched. to be honest with you qatar i didn't understand until i got into law school. i'm thinking, that shouldn't have happened. why is he pulling me over for nothing? >> i've had state police put a gun in my stomach. dare stair at me when i watched them beat my father and dared me ato help.

, who are boldly living in celebration of black culture, black community and black power. so i'm proud to honor a special lady today, elaine jones or in our community as mother jones. shefrs born in colorado and moved to san francisco when she was nine years old. in 2005, mother jones moved to the hotel on 6th street and has been a fixture of our sixth street south market and community. really is there a meeting or event i attend where mother jones isn't sitting in the front row as she is today? she recently christianed the long amen that street crossing and was a speaker for her years of work on the sixth street on a quarter that actually received the most production in the city. she also worked in the fundamental development agencies so that residents and vishts don't fall into the tree walls. >> thank you. >> she prepared home cooked meals for the residents of the ray man and hotel and shared food with neighbors when they run out of food at the end of the month. she has worked with her buildings and pantries for two and a half years. she's an active member of the church

into a shop that they see black people working there so i'm not hiring any blacks. on the other hand he said blacks in his home in brooklyn heights and he gave them a lot of money to the antislavery movement. even his almighty can see these contradictions which only proves that people and history are complicated. >> host: absolutely. despite this anti-black sentiment throughout the north, you have some of the states passing personal liberty laws. what was the reaction of southerners to this? >> guest: personal liberty laws which many northern states passed try to set up procedures either to just make it more fair so they'd say okay and accuse fugitive has to have a trial by jury or they actually try to impede fugitives by saying no public official can help, no sheriff can arrest of fugitive. the public jails cannot be used to house a fugitive. southerners were very put off and alarmed by these laws because they seem to be a direct violation of the constitutional obligation of the north to return fugitive slaves. so they would say if they are going to pass laws takin

blacks are fugitives. so we know for some of them what they were doing their job. they were married, have children. most of them disappear. we cannot track them down. some of the most famous ones you can. henry box brown who skates by having them shipped in a crate and not through new york and eventually to new england. we know his life story. we know for we know frederick douglas. some of them harry jacobs pops up in these records. top man, but most of them we really know very little about what happened after they managed to get to freedom. >> host: is extraordinary how willing people are to go to great lengths for freedom. they are walking great distances, men and women. if i have to walk more than a few blocks i am getting into my car to do it. but these people are walking sometimes 200 miles. so it is just extraordinary. these are extraordinary stories that you have. what would you like the reader to take from this? >> guest: thank you hideaway for saying that. this book is a little different. i did wa

other black people in the car while black, being black while black.an, i can only think of six! these comes are good! -- these cops are good! but to be fair, the cops aren't only citing blacks out of sport. they're also doing it as a money-making scheme. >> today the city generates a significant amount of revenue from the enforcement of code provisions. along with taxes and other revenue streams in 2010, the city collected over $1.3 million in fines and fees collected by the court. for fiscal year 2015, ferguson's city budget anticipates the revenues to exceed $3 million, more than double the total from just five years prior. >> larry: yee-haw! thar's gold in them there blacks! we struck black gold! (gunfire) i think i got nine of them! (siren) whoa! guys, guys! >> we have been getting a lot of complaints about a black guy waiving some guns around. >> larry: hold on, hold on. i'm just doing a bit. they're finger guns. >> using finger guns is prohibited by ferguson city ordinance -- >> larry: we're not in ferguson! we're in new york. i'm doing a comedy

black again. black identities were affirmed and passing was rejected. black was beautiful.blending in with the white world seem no longer economically necessary politically advantageous or socially desirable. i am often asked the people still pass today? i'm certain that passing continues are probably in a very different form than what i have described in my talk. we now live in a far more multiracial society and ellen craft were elsie roxborough could've ever imagined. the conditions of the 21st century allowed for greater acceptance of mixed-race identities but still the core issues of race and identity remain. each generation must navigate the social currents and racial realities of their time period. a history of passing the open to window on the complexity of the human experience. it allows us to gain a deeper and more meaningful understanding of the way that raise is lived and experienced. i have assembled a disparate cast of characters scenes and settings and moments of conflict and contradiction to knit together the history of passing. passing offered countless free

black teenager unemployment has gone up. black homeownership has dropped. these leading economic indicators deter sceviorated. just among black folks t. wonderful symbolic bills. in terms of material benefits, it's been down down down, for black people after the obama rise. >> can you think of any statistic am measure, ron kristi shows the black community in america is better off under america's first black president? >> no, not one shot. good evening. the democrats filibuster the issue and talk over you and talk louder. it hovs around 12% in this country. the barak obama came into office. there are more african-americans than there are today. we can go through the welfare stats the crime stats things are worse in america. when you look at them in terms of race you know, the president always wants to have the great conversation about race. he doesn't tell you about the kids that are going wild in minneapolis. he doesn't tell you about the kids going wild across the country in chicago. these are young black men. he's too busy hanging out with al sharpton. >>

all black men, and this type of black thinking will cause all black people to stick together. and this type of thinking also will bring an end to the brutality inflicted upon black people by white people. and it is the only thing that will bring an end to it. no federal court, state court, or city court will bring an end to it. it's something that the black man has to bring an end to himself. >> minister malcolm, let me, on the basis of your two remarks ask a double pronged question. one, is it then your assertion that the laws with respect to how negros are supposed to have equal opportunity and equal rights in this country are not meaningful or believed by whites and secondly, what then is your opinion and attitude toward the civil rights movement in general, and particularly, the reverend martin luther king and his philosophy of nonviolent direct action? >> if the white people really passed meaningful laws, it would not be necessary to pass any more laws. there are already enough laws on the law books to protect an american citizen. you only need additional laws when you ar

if a dog is biting a black man, the black man should kill the dog. when that black man is doing nothing but trying to take advantage of what the government says is supposed to be his, then that black man should kill that dog, or any two-legged dog who sicks the dog on him. >> malcolm x did something that was very rare in the history of black leadership. >> every mention of the word of integration by whites -- >> he viewed white fears and anxieties as an afterthought. >> whether it be from the mouth of kennedy. >> most black leaders have to deal with the anxieties to get about. >> on down to the mouth of the lowest raggediest white liberal in the street. >> he described the anxieties as tertiary. at the center for a black awakening. >> we believe that separation is the best way, and the only sensible way, not integrated. >> that pits him radically against the mainstream in white america. >> malcolm could speak in a way that resonated with people in those settings. >> there's nothing that the white man will ever do to bring about true, sincere citizens

blacks have a lot of power. if blacks condition their vote on this issue in the same way latinos and others make very clear that their vote has to be earned, that might be one place to start. using a power we already have in our hands the other is to embark on a public consciousness raising enterprise of sorts. we look at the civil rights movement of the 60s and tend to think it was about forcing change but if you read dr. king's rating is very carefully conlan and he was asked why confrontation, why these demonstrations, he said because it shocks the public consciousness and is a way of educating the public and helping the public to understand the quiet ways in which people buy and sell. there is a brutal underside. there is another town in alabama where the gentleman, the sheriff had read dr. king's writings before he arrived for the protesters, he knew he needed to rob dr. king of the opportunity to get the public's attention and educate the public. that has to be it, to find ways to and to be less accusatory

mark mentioned young blackens how do you think young blacks relate to black history month? >> oh, they relate very well. we have an old tradition, and we have passed down many of the lessons of our any recess tors. we are still not fully integrated into our systemic education. and so what you have a lot of enformal education, that happens in our churches community centers after school perhaps, around the dinner table, and what, and when we think about twitter, in fact one thing that always delighted me about black twitter was the ways in which individuals were naming themselves and sometimes fun jovial ways after historical figures so one of the two people that i fell in love with immediately were lankton huge and harriet thug den the other day i saw shock rah can. and petty chavez. and it is just -- it is hilarious. i love the way we are creative, and pass down our history, in ways that are affirming, and fun, and lively, and stand up within the history call presence. >> we asked our community, agree or disagree, should ever month be black history month. >> it is time to t

a lot of protesters black people - how do you encourage doubt doubt no. >> how do you enkaurge black people and let them know they'll not be targeted. a lot of complaints is they'll be targeted. what is new? >> my officers not have body cameras, car cameras. they'll be held accountable. you know that's the biggest thing. you've got a problem, come talk to me. if you don't like the way you are talked to. come see me. >> i tell my officers the same thing. if you stop the car and treat them has your mother father sister brother, you will not have problems. >> do they hit the camera turn the camera on once they go in for a rest. >> not just for arrest traffic stops, citizen contacts. if you talk to pedestrians. >> do you foresee the number of tickets issued going down. >> yes. they are already down. >> reporter: how much. >> i couldn't tell you the stat. i know they are down. the information is coming to my desket. it's down. >> we told the officers that sometimes pulling something obvious, the issue could be handled. have a nice day. >> reporter: so revenue will drop if you don't issue

over that arc, are black and brown americans before off? is. >> mostly the same and perhaps a bit of a slide backwards. it's important that there's been an intervening event of a dramatic nature called the great recession. the great recession drove up the unemployment rate drove down the home ownership rate. really caused tremendous upheaval and economic trauma across the board. black and brown american are like the caboose on the train. >> but has it reduced the capacity for the wider community to say this is a priority. this is something we should fix. it's important to say that the recession had a dramatic affect on all americans and that it continues to have an affects because we have depressed wages. but for black and brown americans the disproportionalty -- come down across the board is lagging. an that's i think the most important point. the come back has been far slower. i'm hopeful that the months ahead are going to bring this unemployment rate down amongst black and brown americans even further. however, i believe we have to do th

these black regimens at appomattox were an microcosm of black life in america. they included southerners, ex slaves trained to kentucky's can't now think. a training ground for troops recruited in the south. they included northern freed blacks trained at camp william penn. they included a group of fascinating individuals, men who would become great leaders in the postwar era, the renowned historian george washington williams, the baptist editor william j simmons, who was a journalistic mentor to the antilynching crusade or idle wells, and they included these regimens a man, george edmonson, the descendent of the hemmings family for monticello. a fascinating story here in these regimens. for all of these soldiers, regardless of background, their presence on the battlefield was itself the culmination of a long struggle. the struggle dramatized in the movie "glory." we know the federal army had initially turned away black volunteers, races ran very deep in the north area north of authorities claim that african american men did not possess the attributes of patrioti

what we can hear on the black box. it's going to all depend on what has happened which we don't actually know yet. so we're going to have to wait and see whether this transcription is actually going to be able to inform us in any way that would justify making complementary information actually public. so i'd also like to add that i hope we can find the second black box. i hope it won't be too long before we find it. so hopefully we'll be able to work with both sources of information. >> translator: so based upon the trajectory and altitude you were mentioning earlier, does this offer any type of indication on the motor or the way the actual motor would have reacted? did the motor slow down? did the motor stop anything like that? do we have any indication on that? >> translator: so a motor completely stopping i can't really say. it's way too early to say. >> translator: so normally in these types of accidents, you provide the names of the pilots. is there a reason for which you've decided not to? >> translator: so when

what i learned is how unaware white society is of black the black press and how important the black press was. and i kept having to rewrite this. and my editors both of whom were african-american, kept saying don't forget a lot of young black people don't know story. so i just simply decided no one knew the story of how important the black press was. and so that became the unintentional third purpose of this book. and i think the reason why somebody like ethel payne or alice dunnigan is not remembered today is a cruel fact of it's a legacy of segregation. most decisions about history in many respects still rest in the hands of powerful white folks. mark blunt the historian always refers to how history is written by the campfire of the victor or the victor's campfire. and so, you know the whole issue of a history of the black press has been a long struggle to get out because of the kinds of prejudices that still exist in publishing today. so i think that's part of the reason. >> thank you. and so that was wonderful, and we're going to the move to q&a. [applause] >> so raise your hand, and

tonight three perspectives - black, blue and you. blacks from ferguson blue the police, and you. the unbias. we begin with the view from the press on the beat. what do they see. it was a brief encounter between 18-year-old african-american teenager michael brown and white ferguson missouri police officer darren wilson much when it was over michael brown was dead in the street. the city erupted, and the nation forced to depront wounds around race and law enforcement. rumours were rampant. protesters accused of shooting michael brown in the back as he was surrendering. nine months later the department of justice painted a different picture. after a sweeping investigation by the federal bureau of investigation. hundreds of interviews and review of physical and forensic evidence the 8 of page report concluded: the report lays out the reason for not charging former officer wilson with federal civil rights violations and examines the chronology of august 9th. it began before noon brown, in civilians video participated in the robbery of a box of cigars from a convenience store, assaulti

it's a black storm trooper. it wasn't my fault!"r obi-wan -- "this is not the black storm trooper you're looking for. move along. move along ." or darth vader -- "i'm your phat with -- i am your father and the storm trooper is a brother and this is cnn ." (applause) or yoda -- "storm trooper negro! (laughs) okay it is. but lady ghost buster weird it is ." here to shed more light on this situation is comic book nerd and black guy mike yard. mike, welcome to the show. >> mike: thanks for having me larry. >> larry: so why is diversity in superhero movies so controversial? i heard rumors of a black batman. how come that didn't happen? >> mike: no, that did happen, larry. it was actually a big break for me. i got to play batman! >> larry: wait, this is unbelievable. you played batman? >> mike: yeah, want to see it? >> larry: hell, yeah, i want to see it. >> mike: take a look. ♪ >> what makes you think the guy's going to show? >> don't worry he'll be here. ♪ commissioner gordon, i'm here. (bleep)! i'm on your side! (sounds of argument and

you look at black public opinion. 41% of blacks say it. a very complicated game. i will tell you that black criminality as part of a much larger framework whereby blacks are judged negatively along several different dimensions which i'm happy to get into during the q&a. so that is how they set aside their racism. they are partly responsible but there's another piece of the public mindset and that is believe there's a serious violent crime problem in this country even though we don't have it. we don't have a serious violent crime problem. even those who believe it they'll tell you they police are not personalized. so if you ask are you afraid to walk at night near your home? no. >> do you fear you are going to be murdered and so forth? no. assaulted? no. probably because so few americans have actually been victimized by violent crime. fewer than one half of 1%. it is blacks that have a much higher victimization rate. the worry is really a worry about something out there like this phantom monster and we get this by asking questions like do you think it's worse? yes

black lives matter. the echos across the country demanding police reform and accountability. we highlight a princeton university sophomore who lent his voice in a powerful video diary he calls dear america. alex ford is our slice of life. >> because i have a dream! that my four little children will one day live in a nation will they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today! >> dear america, in the star spangled banner defines you as the land of the free and the home of the brave but as of late, this has simply been the land of letting injustice roam free and people having to be brave enough to leave the house without being totally sure if they will return. my name is alex ford. i'm a young black man who is a sophomore in college. wait. never mind. you don't care about that. you stopped listening to me after i said young black man. by why? so many men who look similar to me have died and you still continue to not listen past the words young

largest black. as a white woman now and there was simply no turning back. after my aunt told me the story it's stuck with me. it wouldn't leave me alone. so i spent the last ten years wrestling with this curious phenomenon of passing. conventional wisdom tells us the history of passing camp to be written and of those that passed left no trace in the historical record and the only novelist playwright and poet could write about this clandestine practice. but ipv6 is worse is where out of their first historians just waiting to be discovered so i went into the archives looking for both hoping to tell their stories. to find peace, historians must seek unconventional stories that they reenter different moments and in each era americans produce a new set of unexpected sources from runaway slave advertisements to diary entries from newspaper accounts to the wall designed to protect racial integrity and to police the one drop rule from students records at colleges and universities to articles in popular maga

and black as threatening. i'm ali velshi, a special report starts now. >> why are you stopping him, what did he do? >> the officers took a hard hit. >> the officer has just as much right to go home to his family as anyone else. >>> pure ambush, how attorney general eric holder described the scene you saw from ferguson overnight. the st. louis suburb is on edge, less than 24 hours after two policemen were shot during a demonstrations outside the ferguson police department. that followed the resignation of the city's police chief after a department of justice report about racism in the department he ran. the two injured officers have been released from the hospital. now, tonight, three perspectives - black, blue and you. blacks in ferguson, police on patrol, and the unconscious bias that lives inside all of us. we begin with the view from policeman on the beat. what do they see when they look at ferguson? >> it was only a brief encounter between 18-year-old african-american teenager michael brown and white fergu

of black people are prisoners. if you want something to talk about, i'll give smug to talk about. i don't understand why for the life of me why supervisors, particularly black supervisors don't understand the days to put black people out of san francisco are damn near over. how can you just think that these white people are not interested in putting black people out of san francisco? if you think that, you're crazy. this has been going on for the last 50 years and now we're down to the point where i was at a meeting last week and was requested to ask you to name bay view hunterer's point africa town. and that was funny in that meeting because it's all right to have china town, korea town, japan town but it ain't okay to have african town. slavery was light at one time. in the constitution, black people were not human. so now we're in the 21st century and there's a law, proposition 209 says the white contractor does not have to employ black contractors. that is why black people are not working on no jocks in bay vie

of the top 70 cities that we looked at had black unemployment. over 15%. on the latino side, the unemployment rate remains high in some communities but seems to have come down more quickly in others. this is even as we have a job creation scenario in this country where there are 200,000 -- there have been 200,000 jobs being created each month every month for a sustained period. that period being longer than any since 1975. >> is it reaching down into the neighborhoods? >> at this point, the answer is not yet and why we highlight this is because we don't think that people should do a somer sault and say the recovery is here, the economy is fully back. it's not fully back. it's better than it's been but we've got more work to do. >> what's different about being an unemployed black american? what's different about being an unemployed latino. if other people are heading back to work with why aren't you if you've been out on the bricks is. >> therein lies the important question but we have decided that we think we should focus on the remedies. what ef

way too many black people are living on the streets. in another decade, will there still be black folks in san francisco? that's the question we're all battling with. so today, we dedicate this award to the black lives matter movement and the people whose shoulders we stand on and to those who are still bought and unbought. to the city we not only helped to make build but we helped to make famous. thank you. >> congratulations. and colleagues, before we move on. i would like to remind colleagues that we have a long list of other honor ris so if we can, move it right along and keep it at five months. at this time, i will recognize supervisor tang. >> thank you very much. again, it's always a positive to take a minute from our work and acknowledge some really great community members. i would like to recognize lieutenant erika from the san francisco fire department. although erika is not wearing red today, her department is often associated with red so i think we can still continue the theme. she is a native of san francisco. she grew up i

the victim was young gifted and black. her assailant was also black and a serial offender. his pattern of criminal activity was known to police and news of the brutal murder occupation -- occupied all but a few sentences in the newspaper. there were no marches and demonstrations. following 17 hours of interrogation and tranquilizer used to use trees i cooked this -- site cook us mad as a theologian lange violations was eventually rejected. matt madden served three years of the sentence and was released back into the community. in the wake of the murder things turn to normal. violent crime in the area continued on course and so did the intensity of the intrusive but scarcely effective policing. so did the widespread arrests and eventually -- commitments. in time this vicious cycle reached a point where the only viable solution local state and federal policymakers good fathomless to demolish the robert taylor homes projects and in the process dismantle what little community in the midst of it all. looking back on this doctor moore searched and they opening pages of a book tha

so there's no excuse to say why are people protesting for black on black crime.order to deal with any black on black crime or white on white crime, we must give people resources and stop building jails. wisconsin has the worse rate in the country, but we don't have the highest crime rate. we really need to think about the numbers, because somebody a lying. >> randy thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> missouri state appeals judge has been appointed to take over the municipal system in ferguson. that follows last week's report there the department of justice. the state supreme court judge says he will hear all pending and future cases in ferguson and have the authority to change policies there. >>> coming up later, police profiling, how one department is trying to end that practice. >>> we turn now to washington, d.c., where the pentagon says there is progress in the fight against isil. coalition attacks are opening internal divisions within the group. jamie mcentire is in washington. and what is the defense department saying? >> reporter: it's beginning to pain

and the sad thing is if you look at young black and brown men if we talk about the context, young black and brown men are overrepresented in every indicator connected to failure and underrepresented in every indicator connected to success. if that's not a call to action what is? >> and what is -- do people sort of live down to expectations as well as rising up to expectations? >> i don't -- please. >> i think the video the young people shared with us the fact that they do have high expectations. >> that's right. >> and what's happening is we're failing them we're not putting -- if i could make more selling drugs on the corner and supporting myself and nobody's helping me get a job, and they have high expectations, and we're not putting the resources available to them for them to meet those expectations. >> frankly i thought the young people were brilliant in their enumeration of the issues. the nra wants to take on gun control as an issue. but when young people talk about the very real impact on their lives and their communities, their sense of hope and possibility, you have to hear tha

want slaves or free blacks around. so they oppose the expansion of slavery on that ground. there's a whole range of reasons why people are critical of slavery, and even the same person can be contradictory. louis tappan, who i mentioned, definitely an abolitionist, no question about it. he didn't, he would not hire black people to work in his business. he was a big, had a big mercantile firm. he would not have black clerks working there. and he said, you know the reason is white people are not going to come into a shop if they see black people working there, so i'm not hiring any blacks. but on the other hand, he hid blacks in his home in brooklyn heights here fugitive slaves and he gave a lot of money to the anti-slavery money. so even in his own life you can see these contradictions which only proves that people and history are complicated. >> host: uh-huh, absolutely. and despite this anti-black sentiment throughout the north you have some of these states passing personal liberty laws. what was the reaction of south

that are predominantly black cities doing far more e egregious damage to blacks in doing exactly whate saying in ferguson two to the three times egregious, and none of them are being sued by eric holder because they have black mayors and black city council members, he is doing racially motivated justice, and by the way, i don't care what the outcome is, and i want right and wrong, and if he is going to do it, do it fairly and equally. >> and evidence matters. and with the johnson case at uva, and the student with the roommate who came on and he said that we don't know of any white students -- >> and we don't know and somebody comes on the tv and makes that statement, we don't know how often they make force, and somebody said that he did not resist resist. he is clearly, and he is on the ground and won't let them put the handcuffs on. >> and now, after all of the anger of ferguson, what have we learned? anything positive to come out of this? what is next? mouths are watering, and stomachs are growling. or is that just me? it's lobsterfest... ...red lobster's largest variety of lobster

some so how do you encourage black people. how do you let them know that they are not going to go on to be target? a lot of the complaint is they are being targeted here in ferguson what is new that will discourage that belief. >> my officers have body cameras, car cameras being they will be held accountable for how they talk to people. you know, that is the biggest thing i tell people, you got a problem you come and talk to he movement if you don't like the way you were talked to, come see me. all my roll calls i tell me officers the same thing if you treat that person like i don't mother father, sister who broker this you wouldn't have problems. >> do they always turn the camera on once anything for an arrest? >> yes. not even for an aest r. he turn it on for traffic stops any type of citizen contact even if you are stopping a pedestrian and talk to a pedestrian. >> do you foresee the anybody of tickets being issued here in the city of ferguson going down? >> oh, yes. they are already down. >> by how much? >> i couldn't tell

and who would say "you don't act black", or "you don't talk black, you talk white." felt you weren't fully effected by the blacks in america, the african-americans. >> it was clear that we didn't belong fully to a white american demographic or a black american demographic so there wasn't a third option available. we were very much in between. >> when you think about the racial stereotypes, going back to your upbringing in boston, did you feel the need to emphasise to people "hey, look, my parents are surgeons." to separate yourself, perhaps, from unfair racial stereotypes. >> it's a tricky space to negotiate, i think. there were times when the assumptions of other people were just - they just became noxious. it happens now in subtle ways. i remember i was at a table, across from someone, and someone said "who is that?" pointing to me. this was an italian, someone said "that's the author", and the person he spoke to said "no, the black woman", and the other person repeated "no, that is the author." and it's the subtle moments where something about the way i looked mad