. >> even the black panthers. we don't need a new bridge.e need to spend money on feeding the needy. no second bridge period. we don't need it, we don't want it. >> mo bridges, mo problems, am i right? no. canada is acting like it makes fiscal sense for the u.s. >> the old bridge won't last forever. we don't know how long it's going to last. two million u.s. jobs alone depend on the trade that that bridge carries. >> but you realize this is not the time for american taxpayers to be forced to pay for a new bridge. >> they are not forced to pay for a new bridge. canada is page for the bridge. >> that's right. people of michigan are going to have to pay for the entire -- wait, what did he say? >> michigan will pay nothing for this bridge. >> define nothing. >> zero dollars, zero risk, zero liability. >> define zero. >> no cost to michigan at all. absolutely nothing. >> define nothing again. [ laughter ] but nothing probably means something especially when you consider how many times america has been burned by slick talking canadians. >> look, w

black student meeting while black panther founders huey newton and bobby seale faced arrest and lift the jail sentence. in a few short years many of america's most influential. black leaders either been incarcerated . or sas. they ran him down and chased him down a kind of down a murdered everybody they could and made their body else either go to exile or to lock them up in a penitentiary and when all that was over with a new element rose the call of crips. you see. in the late one nine hundred sixty s. and the black top playgrounds of fremont high school emerged this new order led by south l.a. teenager raymond washington generally credited as the crips founding member. in response number of rival gangs formed an alliance calling themselves bloods moniker adopted by african-american soldiers serving in vietnam. the opposing armies now in place battle flags were raised blue for crips and red for bullets. exactly which set our neighborhood true first place and why we never be known. for the next four decades or encrypt and blood sets we carve the streets of south l.a. into a grid of ri

>> that's different. >> stephen: you were the good black panthers?> stephen: were you ral callized as a child? >> yeah, i would say so. i was radicalized. >> stephen: did obama fulfill your radical april genda. >> my radicalization held that there could never be a black president. if anything obama broke my world view actually. that's, you know, what happened to america if anything it made me less less radical. i did a flip-flop on that. sawed back and forth. [ laughter ] >> stephen: as someone who has been an observer of obama's presidency -- >> right. >> stephen: can we talk about michelle obama's bangs for a second. >> yes. >> stephen: okay. what could you think? a rare misstep? >> ah -- >> stephen: don't get me wrong she looks unbelievably beautiful it's a youthful look. it's like she's auditioning to replace zeo -- >> the first rule of a black president in america: don't talk about a black woman's hair. if she thinks it's great. it's great. >> stephen: thank you is so much for joining me. from the "the atlantic." we'll be right back. [cheers and

. >> the black panther party continued for several years but by the mid-1970s began to disintegrate. >> the black panthers had its day in history and hopefully the youth will take a lesson and take a page from our history. and move forward to carry on where we left off. >> i don't think they accomplished a darn thing. i think they hurt oakland more than anything else. >> reporter: he says he often speaks to past panthers. >> we talk very enthusiastically. in a very romantic way about the 60s, the panthers. >> still to come on a second look, morris dees has devoted his life to peace. >> and why rosa parks has become known as the mother of rights. >>> one of the great champions of civil rights over the years may be a surprise to some people. he's actually a white man who was raised in the segregated south. betty anne bruno talked to dees back in 1991. >> reporter: born and raised in the deep south. morris dees grew up in alabama. his uncles were bible carrying ku klux klan members. >> i try not to follow classes. i really believe in fairness and justice. >> reporter: last fall dees won

his own followers shot two black panthers.this the type of guy we want to have as a founder of a holiday that we're promoting around some eric? quite frankly i think if most news sank orr types, be they did a feel-good story about kwanzaa proned exactly what ron kerenga was about, it would not get off the ground. >> i'm a news achkor type, and i'll put it to you, i wanted straight answers from you, and cnn approached you about this interview and asked you to appear with roland martin, a cnn commentator very passionate about this issue, he wanted to challenge you, and you refused, you said you didn't want to appear with someone who would defend kwanzaa. why would you do that? >> you're completely distorting the comments that we had earlier in the day. earlier in the day, i said if we were going to have a discussion to how many black people cared -- >> before you even go, if we've made a mistake, i've got roland martin ready to go. >>> ready to go he was. we were going to hold those two segments, so roland was wiring up, getting

it goes back far beyond the black panthers. during the fugitive slave law resistan resistance, frederick douglas resisted slave catchers. we see it moving up through the 1960s. your point about the black panthers is interesting. it's a stage where in my scholarship i have described at the dichotomy. the leadership and grass roots made a distinction. they thought it was a crucial resource for black folks. up to the point of the radical resistance of the black panthers, that dichotomy was vividly upheld. the panthers sullied that process. the book i'm working on talks about that phenomena in more detail. what we find up until the 1970s is a clear endorsement by martin luther king and everyone in the movement. >> as you put on, this is a path that goes way back, right? we might be able to say, look, we would be a better and safer country if there's no second amendment. we might be able to say it's not part of our tradition, but it's not where we are. we are in a place where wherever gun control legislation we are going to implemen

shooting a couple of black panthers.r committing physical violence against women had to spend time in prison. now i think the idea that our country would celebrate a special holiday created by this guy before he committed these acts of violence and now we're going to say oh, we must talk about this to the kindergarten children and how wonderful this holiday is ridiculous. >> you have to admit that the holiday itself doesn't celebrate the founder. the holiday itself is actually kind of nice. if you look at its principals, unity, self-determination, collective work, responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith. that sounds pretty nice. >> well, i'm sure if you go through the ramblings and some of the worst tyrants in history you can say that they are for peace or unity or hard work or that sort of thing. but when you have such a horrible person who founded this new holiday solely to promote or in part to promote his goofy ideology we have to agree most americans wouldn't choose to celebrate this hol

his own followers shot two black panthers. is this the type of guy we want to have as a founder that we're promoting around america? i think if most news anchor types before they did a nice feel-good story about kwanzaa presented what ron karenga was about, it would never get off the ground. >> i'm a news anchor type and i'll put this to you right now. i wanted to get some straight answers out of you and i wanted you to challenge and cnn approached you about this interview and asked you to appear with roland martin who is very passionate about this issue. he wanted to challenge you on this and you refused. you said you didn't want to appear with someone who would defend kwanzaa. why on earth would you do that? >> that's not true at all. i would happy to appear with someone who defends kwanzaa. you're distorting the comments we had earlier in the day. earlier in the day i said if we're going to have a discussion as to how many black people cared about kwanzaa -- >> before you go on, if we made a mistake, i have roland martin re

the black panthers said: >> cenk: when the black panthers were saying that, the n.r.a. buying it. let me bring in the man who wrote the book on this, called "gunfight, the battle over the right to bear articles in america." talk to me about the context of the second amendment when passed. >> it was added to the constitution right when the framers were trying to adopt the new constitution. it was designed to protect the individual's right to have a firearm. the founding fathers didn't believe in a standing army. they thought we would be protected by a citizen's militia, and thought people would go home, grab their guns and be ready to fight in an instant, hence the minute man. the founding fathers also had gun control laws. the second amendment wasn't a libertarian license for anyone to have any gun anytime they wanted. >> cenk: the second amendment a clause in there that is a limiting factor to people having weapons. we think about what the weapons were back then. it's interesting. we had somebody on our production team. ray, come in here for a second. this looks like a

living amongst the black panthers. and he said i don't want to talk about that. used to be a hero of mine. now i'm so disappointed. i kept digging and digging. he wouldn't talk. finally he said, i saw him dancing in a pink negligee. and i said -- and he was completely stoned. i said, that's impossible. he made a radical change in his life from being a kind of feminine homosexual with long hair and was a prostitute to being this kind of macho guy. he devised this new personality for himself in prison and never would. that is impossible. and i interviewed years later in july davis. no, i love him. such a gender bender. i love the moment he danced for the panthers in his bank negligee. two sources for the story, even though it contradicts everything about him. it to fit into my scheme for him , and so if i had imposed my scheme on the facts we wouldn't know the truth. >> i read your biography. i thought it was a great novel. that is because it has such narrative momentum. i can't really being cited the find out what would happen next. it is shaping the way like a no

>> the new black panther party outside a polling place. >> the sharia mosques. >> four years into tyranny winning. >> if you live in the east, may i recommend get the help out of east. >> it's armageddon. >> your religion will come under al tackth if obama is reelected, this country is over! [ laughter ] >> jon: i'm not sure what happened. i thought -- i -- i blacked out in the middle of that and woke up with an ak -- whatever this is. i'm sure i'll get letters about what this really is. which is plastic is what it really is. [ laughter ] it brings us back to the more direct issue of guns. >> gun control doesn't work. >> jon: or not. [ laughter ] i keep forgetting what else? >> we have a mental health system in this country completely and totally collapsed. >> jon: okay, okay. again, 100%. thank you, wayne lapeeer far bringing this up. the mentally ill live on the streets and are in prison. it's up to us to help them find proactive care. this is what we have to address. >> we have no national database of these lunatics. >> jon: or that. or that. [ laughter ] i was going to say compassiona

concern about obama in his second term was going to be that he's going to go full on like socialist black panther one world government. now he appears to have gone more season one of mad men. what's happening? >> john, people forget, president obama is also half white. everybody was was so focused on black obama and all the black stuff he did in his first term. obama care, food stamp. they completely forgot about white obama who has been in there biding his time. just waiting to take this country back and restore the traditional america this black obama has worked so hard to destroy. >> jon: wow. exactly jon: i got so say, white obama has been playing a long game >> jon, you know, white obama has always been there making the occasional appearance. on vacation. on weekends. i mean, you're not going to catch a brother wearing those jeans and a bike helmet on a ten speed with cross trainers on. >> jon: that white obama is pretty white. >> the whitest. jon: so if white obama is 50% and black obama is 50%... >> well he's not quite like that, okay. according to the white obama, black obama is only 47%

because at that time it was couched in the idea of stopping what they thought was a frightening black panther movement or black civil rights movement. they completely changed their minds about this issue. >> and another way and certainly in a more beneficial way back when we identified machine guns or automatic weapons with machine gun kelly and baby face nelson and those guys in chicago, the country was quick to outlaw automatic weapons. >> indeed. >> a couple years ago barack obama got into trouble when he said some americans cling to their guns. what we're seeing now is that he was right. maybe he didn't say it the right way, but we are. whether it's 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%, they cling to their guns. they buy the fearmongering and the nra, rush limbaugh, and, more importantly, the gun manufacturers are all preying on these people and trying to get them all whipped up -- >> the safest bet in american life, the safest bet in american life, more safe than, i have to tell you, than savings bonds or tea bonds, the safest bet is that we will have as many guns or more 20 or 30 years from now as we have

of them. >> caller: -- on george zimmerman's head. >> the new black panther party consists of aboutephanie: you are right. mary, and one of them said something -- and we condemned him for that -- >> he did. >> caller: yeah, they put a bounty on this guy's head. >> stephanie: right. and that was incorrect. >> caller: and then you have the black panther, and on voting day he was standing out there -- >> stephanie: thank you for using the singular. >> caller: you know what if -- if it was in my area and i saw that you know what i would do -- but i would be a racist -- i would get a white sheet. >> stephanie: and then -- oh that would be funny. >> caller: so somebody can stand there with a white sheet, right? >> stephanie: but he was just standing there being black. >> caller: but somebody could stand there with a white sheet too. >> stephanie: but he can't change his skin color. >> and it wasn't a republican precinct. >> yeah, he wasn't intimidating anybody. >> stephanie: who? >> caller: the last election when there were a couple of them out there with their clubs and intimidating peop

gun control and the irony is, and we covered this on the grio today, back in the 'six when the black panthersere saying there's a right to bear arms because they wanted to do armed patrols, it was people like governor ronald reagan who pushed for gun control, who signed the mumford act which made it illegal to carry guns in public, in a car. the nra was all for that because at that time it was couched in the idea of stopping what they thought was a frightening black panther movement or black civil rights movement. they completely changed their minds about this issue. >> and another way and certainly in a more beneficial way back when we identified machine guns or automatic weapons with machine gun kelly and baby face nelson and those guys in chicago, the country was quick to outlaw automatic weapons. >> indeed. >> a couple years ago barack obama got into trouble when he said some americans cling to their guns. what we're seeing now is that he was right. maybe he didn't say it the right way, but we are. whether it's five, ten, 15%, 20%, they cling to their guns, they buy the fearmongering and

all, it's not original -- >> rush is now -- it sounds like he's trying to be a member of the black panthersthis is ridiculous. >> well, there's that irony as well. but it's not original. he's taking it from the comments from the other right wing nut job who was talking about if slaves had guns. first of all, there are plenty of shotgun owners during the civil rights era, but to reduce john lewis' service to this country and the civil rights movement and the black experience and the overall american experience in this country to him getting beat upside the head is disgusting and offensive. this is a man who served his country through civil rights and through service in the congress. to reduce his life to that to me is unacceptable. >> i agree. as you may know, i actually went with john lewis on his annual pilgrimage. we crossed the bridge in selma, heard the stories from him. the other thing that's so infuriating about this, not surprising coming from someone like rush limbaugh, is just the antithesis of what john lewis' whole life has been about in terms of not resorting to violence. >> he

in fact they made their first statements in favor of gun control the week after the black panthers officially announced their presence and showed up with guns and said we have a second amendment right this was in the in the press today so what's what's the deal here who's who's really pushing this and words are going sure well i think we're after sandy hook we're saying that families parents we're all very concerned about what's happening with the school shootings and i know i've seen even at my daughter's school there's more information about lockdown who is allowed in and you know how are they going to handle this type of situation and i think what the n.r.a. n.r.a. is is sort of wants to push is they have evidence that when these shooters they go to schools because they know that people aren't armed there was a period of pretty much everywhere in america this is true other than walking into a jail with the police so the problem i have is when we just say blanket statement there needs to be armed guards at every school you know you have to take into consideration when you have a big country

do you wear little bits of black panther. dana? >> dana: okay. embarrassed. i don't know what it means. freddie don't cry. >> dana: i can't get over the endorsement. i am supposed to be doing something serious. >> kimberly: we are giving her a moment to recover. go to mr. beckel, known for his seriousness and credibility. >> bob: i have to be serious today. michelle obama, this is her birthday. 48 years old. great first lady. wonderful job of raising her children despite the evil thugs at the nra, the punks say. she has done wonderful things. child obesity and a number of different programs she has gotten behind. a wonderful first lady. congratulations. happy birthday. >> kimberly: leave it at that. nice. >> dana: nobodybe said she wasn't a great first lady. i want to pay tribute to two american greats. one is dear abby, pauline friedman. she die today at age 94. her sister app landers died in 2002. they gave great advice through their years and we will miss them. >> bob: did they talk to each other in >> dana: they did. they reconciled later in

do you wear little bits of black panther. dana? >> dana: okay.mbarrassed. i don't know what it means. freddie don't cry. >> dana: i can't get over the endorsement. i am supposed to be doing something serious. >> kimberly: we are giving her a moment to recover. go to mr. beckel, known for his seriousness and credibility. >> bob: i have to be serious today. michelle obama, this is her birthday. 48 years old. great first lady. wonderful job of raising her children despite the evil

when the when the black panthers tried to get assault rifles they want to protect themselves they were the first of all we need to regulate against these so called criminals but ray la pierre in the front you're all right your way around here goes around the world now we need to put the only way to stop to stop to stop bad guys give more good guys going to have a gun in every school everywhere this is the apocrypha the of the n.r.a. it is the apocryphally of the gun lobby it's only it's the only one that is convenient for them when it comes across as like this look oh well you know we just put more guns in schools is all part of the problem in this country they continue to build up this argument as to why guns are a great idea when guns are a great thing but when you when twenty young kids get riddled with shots it's still a good idea to have a gun that makes absolutely no sense and you said or about something you said when you talk about the gun lobby i think it is disingenuous for anybody who participates in the so-called gun lobby to only support gun industry and not gun rights so t