i know. [ laughter ] it's just a white person in blackface and an afro wig.s and run around in the streets giving out candy. >> seth: and now i know this to be true, dutch people do not believe this is racist. >> no, they do not. they think it's christmas. [ laughter ] in fact, they justify it by saying, "he's not black, he just looks like that from sliding down the chimney." [ audience oohs ] [ laughter ] look. if there was a chimney that applied brown foundation, a perfect afro, hoop earrings and lipstick, i'd have found it already. [ laughter ] i would slide down it every morning. [ laughter ] and p.s., if he's black from chimney soot, why is his name "black pete?" why don't they call him "chimney pete?" [ laughter ] or "soot faced pete?" [ laughter ] or better yet, "peter?" [ laughter ] no one calls me "black amber." even though it would help clarify. because most people named amber are white. [ laughter ] >> seth: true. in my experience, that's true. [ laughter and applause ] now, i cannot believe that after all these years, the dutch still say this blac

we've seen white students adorning blackface. they come to parties portraying images of gangsters. it is racially insensitive because we're talking about once again white bodies in position with a black female body and we're looking at historical factors. i'm not saying that some of these students are looking at that, but i don't want to discount that they didn't understand the impact this would have. sending out a christmas card, it's the racial insensitivity for some of those who say oh, we're not being insensitive. >> if these guys were dressings up in mexican garb or blackface, i would agree with you. but these guys are playing with blow-up dolls and i think this one just happened to be black. >> i don't think it just happened to be black, don. but the cultural image just doesn't look right and it's very sexist. it's deeply rooted and a lot of times on these college campuses these fraternities know full well what they're doing. and when they get caught they're sorry for doing it. >> thank you for your opinions. >> thank you. >> a lot of people have opinions on this. let us know