blackrock does not have any leverage to speak of. so in effect they avoided the crisis because they do not take positions. >> you know, bailouts, they didn't have any. handouts from the government, nope. uh-uh. actually, there are a handful of financial companies on the list this year, and you can see more of that story and others tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on "the fastest-growing companies of 2009." and best of all, erin, these are companies that have actually made money for shareholders over the past three, five, and ten years. so if you've got a little spare cash in your swiss bank account that you want to move in there, then -- >> i was 4,401. >> client 4,401, huh? >> thank you, tyler. we got a lot of e-mails during today's show about our lithium battery segment. we'll share more with you because we're going to keep tackling the issue. tim in buffalo wrote this -- "as is the case with most rechargeable battery systems, they eventually lose their ability to take a full charge. how long before the $50,000 lithium ion powered car

did the kennedy-nixon debates, and produced "60 minutes," where he demonstrated to the suits at blackrock that was possible to make money doing news. also, another great newsman died, alan otten, formerly washington bureau chief of "the wall street journal." last word. thanks. see you next week

bob dahl from blackrock said at $80 it's a problem. all those countries really seem to like prices at this level. the other big story today is natural gas, a big bounce off those seven-year lows we talked a lot today about the spread between crude and nat gas. well, that spread came in quite a bit today. most traders telling me it's short covering, that fundamentals still don't support it, but you have to keep an eye on that $3 mark, whether it will stick around for that.n i want to take a look at the other parts of the complex, to the up side rbob and heating oil, also touching on metals. very interesting story with gold today.da of course the dollar strengthened a bit as the day went on but i'm told there was a big slip late day with gold, mostly on technical selling, although dollar still a factor. so keep an eye on whether it rebounds to make another challenge at 950 or not. ster and copper is interesting, silver weaker as the day went on. copper did get a little bit stronger. but that's where we stand right now. mixed picture in

joining us is bob doll, blackrock's vice chairman and cio of equities.ou were quoted over the weekend in barron's when they look backed at growth funds. growth funds beat the value funds over handily. should we reach much into this? >> i think the value stocks will come back, becky. a lot of the drag in the last year or so in value has been the financial stocks. we know when growth becomes more plentiful and as the economy and earnings improve, that will be the case. that's usually when value stocks begin to outperform.m. so our guess is the nod will go in that direction. >> so have you changed any of your buying patterns as you see this setting up? >> well, we become a little more value-oriented in what we do. we trim technology, which tends to be more growth-oriented, like it for the long term. we've taken some money and added it to energy on the pull back we saw several weeks ago. so our view is that you do want to lean in a value direction. >> you know, bob, we were just talking about energy prices with oil back $70 a barrel. if you're getting into t

. >>> when we return, money manager bob doll of blackrock k will be joining the conversation.more with him. >>> in less than half an hour we'll kick off our very favorite hedge fund summit, michael steinhardt and david gestenhaber will be joining us. >>> time now for today's aflac trivia question. how old was judy garland when she filmed "the wizard of oz ". oof! i hope he has that insurance. aflac! you really need it these days. how come? well if you're hurt and can't work it pays you cash... yeah to help with everyday bills like gas, the mortgage... ...and groceries. it's like insurance for daily living. so...what's it called? uhhhhh aflaaac!!!! oh yeah! that's it! aflac. we've got you under our wing. a-a-a-aflaaac! >>> now the answer to today's after flack trivia question. >>> how old was judy garland when she filmed "the wizard of oz"? the answer, 16. >>> hanging with mr. cooperman this morning, leon cooperman of omega. let's bring in another name, he works for the biggest money management firm in the world, bob doll, blackrock, joins us from new york. good morning to you.

joining us is bob doll, the vice chairman and global cio of equities at blackrock.d this conversation we were just having, right? >> yes, i did. >> what do you think? are you on the side of the few optimists out there or are you with the crowd on this? >> markets never go in one direction without pauses in the other direction. i think the market will end the higher than where we are. our objective at the beginning of the year was 1,000 to 1050. i won't go into the multiples and earnings to get there. of course, we've achieved that. and i think we're going higher, but there's going to be a pullback at some point, joe's 5 to 15, the number he threw out, i could see either end of that. i think right now the more important question is, which equities? you have to own stocks. the economy has bottomed, the recession is ending, stocks over time will wok their way higher. it's which one? i think the market was acting as if the only thing you wanted to own were the lower quality, deeper cyclical names. i think what yesterday was about, you need a little more balance. yes, do

i cannot help but mention something about blackrock, a security company hired to do assassinations.does look like washington is controlled by corporate interests. it is obviously more complicated than that, but washington is a mess. so is congress. so are the lobbying groups. even if obama could sit down and say to hillary clinton, good to tehran, figure out what we can do, i do not think he would survive a politically. my attitude is send her to tehran, find out what they want, see" we can do. if not, come back and we can reassess policy. but i do not think he can do that. the issues are too emotional for lobbying groups in washington. the vast majority of americans -- too emotional also for the vast majority of americans. host: the cia is also author of other books. "sleeping with the devil" -- remind us of what that is about? guest: it is about saudi arabia. it was corruption in the royal family. i took the bell a dysfunctional government -- i talked abou aboe dysfunctional government there. there are problems with oil. it was an attack -- i mean, i speak arabic, spent 21 years i