blackwell: if mr. chauvin right knee was on his back from time to time and at other times it was placed where? >> on his arm and then into mr. floyd's left chest. if you are making a distinction if the knee is on the cheste, per se or whether it is on the left arm from the left chest from the point of view of breathing the effects are extremely similar. blackwell: let's turn to number one. blackwell: let's turn back to the notes the number one was written down for the reasons of mr. floyd's low auction want us oxygen was handcuffed on the street. >> yes. blackwell: doctor tobin first how the various mechanisms, the four that you discussed, handcuffs company on the net, prone position and knee on the back and arm and side how do those fall into your worke of respiratory physiology or clinical medicine? >> they don't have a lot to do with clinical medicine but directly related to my work and physiology in understanding the forces the body has to cope with these are crucial in terms of the various forces

blackwell: mr.espiratory rate was normal at 22 just before he lost consciousness. >> correct. blackwell: the jury may have heard other information in the case about the fentanyl related to an elevated carbon dioxide level in the emergency room. was at significant to you? >> yes that is very significant as well. because he i is reported a carbon dioxide level in the emergency room of 89. that's a very high level of carbon oxide. you have to take into account the factors that might w have led to that. the particularly important factors for mr. floyd to explain why his carbon dioxide was found at 89 in the emergency room. blackwell: doctor, what normal would has been carbon dioxide level? >> in you or me is between 35 and 45. there are units that are given in the hospital chart. blackwell: you said there were significant factors in the case of mr. floyd. help the jury understand whatth those are. >> the important factors are we know he made his own last spontaneous effort to breathe at 2025, 16. after

blackwell: you ask questions about pay ranking glioma.ou said those are usually preceded by headaches. >> one of the symptoms. blackwell: did you hear among the various complaints mr. floyd had about pain. or any of them a headache? >> no. in fact when i saw that was a very ganglionic described in the autopsy when i went to the medical records i used control asked to put in headache and never found that at any point. blackwell: referencing being an incidental finding tell the jury what is meant by incidental? >> all of us have things in our bodies that don't cause any medical problems is something gets a cat scan for one reason they may see there is assist or pick up the nine tumors. we refer to those as incidental findings. in the case of paraganglioma it's actually called the incidental, it does not have clinical relevance that was found in the autopsy. blackwell: are you familiar with any other data how many people in the united states have ever died from paraganglioma as a principal primary reason of death? >> to be honest they are ve

blackwell: can you tell us whether it is your view that mr. floyd passed after nine minutes and 29 seconds was a coincidental unrelated to subdural restraint on the ground? >> objection. >> sustains. blackwell: over the questions. >> thank you doctor. you are excused. [inaudible conversations] [sidebar] >> the best way to do the next witness was scheduled for tomorrow we will start at 930 tomorrow. do not talk to anyone or don't watch the news. thank you. democracy. the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin arguing the prosecution had not proven its case in the death of george floyd. after the motion was denied on the court consider other hearing testimony from the doctor. retired chief medical examiner. [inaudible]. >> we are in the record, we have several issues to take >> we are on the record. we have several issues to take care of

blackwell: can you tell us whether it is your view that mr. floyd passed after nine minutes and 29 seconds was a coincidental unrelated to subdural restraint on the ground? >> objection. >> sustains. blackwell: over the questions. >> thank you doctor. you are excused. [inaudible conversations] [sidebar] >> the best way to do the next witness was scheduled for tomorrow we will start at 930 tomorrow. do not talk to anyone or don't watch the news. thank you. >> good morning and welcome to the unveiling of the 2021 congressional "pig

it lieutenant blackwell? that opinion -- inspector blackwell. i'm allowing that opinion. but crisis intervention, are we trying to get in mister floyd's state of mind through the back door here? >> the proper testimony of sergeant kuryang will just be regarding minneapolis police departments crisis intervention training that they provide to officers. it's a 40 hour scenario-based training course in which state actors come in and they go through various scenarios such that officers would be able to recognize people who are emotionally and behaviorally disturbed. and to be able to understand that some people are unable to comply with commands rather than being unwilling to comply with commands and all those who the reasonableness of the police officer and the actionthat they take . >> sergeant yang is not offering any opinions per se? >> is not, he's only describing the training. >> and you have evidence mister chauvin took that training. >> yes your honor. >> that was my understanding as sergeant yang's testimony was limited to the crisis intervention program and training

jerry blackwell was the first lawyer to speak in the trial. delivering the prosecutions opening statement. >> you will learn, that on may 25th of 2020, make your derek chauvin betrayed his badge. when he used excessive and unreasonable force. you will that he put his knees up on his neck and his back. grinding in crushing him, until the very breath, until the very life was squeezed thought of him. you will learn that he was well aware that mr. floyd was unarmed. that mr. floyd had not threatened anyone. that mr. floyd was in handcuffs. he was completely in the control of the police. he was defenseless. you will learn what happened, in that nine minutes and 29 seconds. the most important numbers you will hear in this trial, 9 2 9. what happened in those nine minutes 29 seconds. when mr. derek chauvin was applying this excessive force to the body of mr. george floyd. >> and after having proved all of that, 21 days later, steve schleicher delivered his final argument to the jury. this case is exactly what you thought when you saw it first. when y

they gave blackwell advice. he took it. what you heard is true.won the day with regard to closing out this case. >> thank you both so much. i appreciate your time. we have more coverage starting right now as we wait for the jury to come back in the room in 15 minutes with my colleague jeff bennett picking it up right here on msnbc. >>> good thursday morning to you. i'm jeff bennett if for my friend craig melvin. we have have been watching what could be the final day of testimony in the murder trial of derek chauvin. this may be the most momentous day in this high profile trial. right now, a 15-minute break. there have been three substantial headlines. first and foremost, derek chauvin will not testify in his own defense. before the jury entered the courtroom, he announced he is invoking his fifth amendment right. second, the defense is resting its case. third, judge

blackwell, inspector blackwell? inspector blackwell, both parties intend to introduce training records that the minneapolis police department has prepared. both sides intend to introduce those. there has not been a kind of determination i think as to does the state or the defense need to specifically prove that officer chauvin experience that direct training, or is this just general policies and training materials of the minneapolis police department. that's what we had tried to work out and it's not that we haven't come i think the conversation got on the back burner. >> i will just keep my thoughts and see if this answers any questions you have about it. my analysis of this is, we have said mr. floyd's state of mind is not relevant. it's the defendant stated knowledge, his nose and his intent. part of his knowledge is based on training he has received. so a summary of the crisis intervention training he has received is appropriate. we're not getting into, i suppress the psychiatrist testimony, what was mr. floyd's

blackwell. i think since the defense will rest and you'll proceed directly to doctor tobin, are we calling anyone else? >> no, no one else, your honor. if we could have 10:15. >> 10:15 it is, at 10:15 we will reconvene. [background noises] scott, and, your honor. i'm sorry for the delay. mr. nelson. >> your honor, at this time the defense rests. >> thinking. mr. buckle, does the state have rebuttal? >> yes, your honor. >> you may proceed. >> good morning, your honor, counsel, ladies and gentlemen. the state will recall to the stand doctor martin tobin. in just one moment, your honor. >> not a problem. [inaudible] >> just for the record, could you please state your name and if you feel comfortable, please take your mask off. >> my name is martin tobin. >> mr. blackwell. >> good morning, doctor tobin. >> mr. blackwell. >> thank you for rejoining us and i have just a few follow-up questions i would like to ask you in rebuttal but first just so you are introduced to the jury you are a pulmonologist.

jerry blackwell and steve schleischer. i have never seen a prosecution case presented so flawlessly in the courtroom. and none of that happened to the prosecution in this case. >> they conducted the most masterful prosecution i have ever seen. they did it with the whole world watching. jerry blackwell was the first lawyer to speak in the trial delivering the prosecution's opening statement. >> you will learn that on may 25th, 2020, mr. derek chauvin betrayed his badge. when used excessive and unreasonable force upon the body of mr. george floyd. that he put his knee on his back, grinding and crushing him until the very breath, no, ladies and gentlemen, until the very life were squeezed out of him. you will learn that he was well aware that mr. floyd was unarmed and mr. floyd have not threatened anyone and mr. floyd was in handcuffs and he was completely in control of police and he was defenseless. you will learn what happened in that 9 minutes and 29 seconds. the most important numbers that you will hear in this trial, 9:2

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lieutenant blackwell? that opinion, inspector blackwell. i am allowing that opinion. with crisis intervention. i we trying to get mr. floyd state of mind through the back door? >> no your honor. the proper testimony of the sergeant is regarding any applets police department crisis intervention training that they provide to officers. the 40 hours scenario -based training course that paid actors come in and they go through various scenarios such that officers can recognize people who are emotionally and behaviorally disturbed. and tend to be able to understand some people are unable to comply with commands versus unwilling to be compliant that is the reasonableness of the police officer the action that they take. >> sergeant yang is not offering any opinions? >> he ise' not just describing the training. >> youou have evidence mr. chauvin took the training? >> yes your honor. nelson: that was my understanding of sergeant yang's testimony limited to the crisis intervention program and training that officers go through. it is within the policy part of the de-escalation pol

blackwell.hink since the defense will rest and you'll proceed directly to doctor tobin, are we calling anyone else? >> no, no one else, your honor. if we could have 10:15. >> 10:15 it is,

blackwell? the states rebuttal. blackwell. >> before mr. blackwell begins a will reread one of the instructions. specifically attorneys are officers of the core it is their duty to make objections they think proper into argue that clients cause. however the arguments or the remarks of an attorney are not evidence. the attorneys or i have made any statement as to what the evidence is that differs from your recollection of the evidence, you should disregard that statement and rely solely on your own memory. if an attorney's argument contains any statement of the law that differs from the law i give you, disregard the attorney statement. mr. blackwell. blackwell: thank you your honor. good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. the last lawyer talking to you. i will not be too long. want to start talking to you about what i call the 46th witness you heard from 45 but there is a 46 witness. this witness was testifying to you before you got to the courtroom. they testified over everybody else on the stand. the only witness talking to you back into libe

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jerry blackwell and steve schleicher presented the case. >> jerry blackwell: i saw a kind of empathyould feel what the witnesses felt. they could feel the anguish, they could feel the pain, theyar >> pelley: the dozen jurors remain anonymous. socially distanced from one another, they were never seen on camera. >> steve schleicher: they were bright, and they were taking their responsibilities very seriously. and you could see that throughout the entire trial. they would lean forward, engaged. >> blackwell: taking notes, lots of notes. >> schleicher: furious, yeah, furiously taking notes. >> pelley: several jurors had advanced degrees; one was a registered nurse. >> blackwell: they were overwhelmingly under the age of 40, which was unique. >> pelley: half were white, half people of color. >> ellison: two, what i would call traditional african americans. you know, people like me. there were two african immigrants. there were two folks who were mixed race, who had, i think, an african-descendant parent and a white parent. and then, the white jurors were very diverse, too. g clknow, so ot

blackwell said, know what you saw. you know in your heart waht's hat's right. -- the president knew that this can very quickly spread through the country because the expectations of these changes, i know there are governors and other states, this is not just minnesota's problem. we need to own our problem and we need to fix it but it is america's problem in the president knows that. --and the president knows that. >> in terms of burning political capital, is that mean possibly pulling up budget and negotiation's to insist on including these changes? >> i will not go into hypotheticals. i will say, i want to give people the benefit of the doubt on this, it is not going to be easy to avoid this question this time. it is not going to be easy to walk away without doing some changes. we need to make sure that what we do does not punish minnesotans or make it worse, but if that change that minnesotans are demanding is being held up by a few individuals, we will figure out how to make changes joan that. i am in a place right

blackwell resumes his examination. >> i'll take care of the rest . >> hold on mr. blackwell. we'll make sure everyone who gets a copy gets one. spectators can each get a copy if they want one. >> you have to give up a copy. >> mr. blackwell? >> i think i'll give one to dr. thomas so she has one. >> she can have mine. >> oh, thank you. >> and you're onnorhonor, we'll the camera off. so, dr. thomas, if we start with the exhibit that is marked 185 -- >> yes. >> i take that back. i would like to see it on my screen. dr. thomas, looking at exhibit 185, what is significant in this photograph that informs your conclusions p conclusions pertaining to the subdual and restraint of mr. floyd's death? >> this is a photograph of mr. floyd's face. and it shows some facial injuries, most notably what are called abrasions which are scrapes over his left eyebrow and over his left cheek. you can also see there is littler scrapes or small cuts on his nose and lip, upper lip and a little on the left side of the lower lip. but the main thing this shows is that the left side of his face was obviou

blackwell is tell the truth. what we need to show is that the defendant's actions were are a substantial causal factor in his death. doesn't have to be the only cause of the factor. doesn't have to be the biggest substantial factor. it just has to be one of them, a substantial factor in the cause of death, and the instruction will say that the fact that other causes contribute to the death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability. there can be other factors. in fact, dr. bake her a section. i think it was called other factors, and he was clear. those other factors are not direct causes of the death, the direct cause was cardio pulmonary arrest that was in the environment of the police subdural restraint and neck compression, point blank. when i got back and got to question him again after mr. nelson was finished, all i did was ask him about what he had written in the certificate on the case. cause of death, cardio pulmonary arrest. manner of death homicide at the hands of another. he was crystal clear

regarding the use of force in the state. >> the state is going to be calling inspector blackwell to describe the training facility and how it's developed, how would set up, how it's administered, she will offer the opinion, i guess it's not an opinion, the fact that the mpd did not train its officers to play sydney on the subjects neck and strained on that position for as long as it happened. and mainly go through the records and describe the curriculum and the facility and the trainers and how it's staffed and the individual trainers will impart the knowledge from the disciplines. we had the crisis intervention and procedural justice training in the use of force trainer and probably johnny, i don't know if i need to have both testified on the tactic side in the medical training that the officers received from officer mckenzie and those are her trainers, will go into a practitioner level expert and the academic expert but not immediately. >> my main concern is the medical training that they received, again mr. chauvin what was his training and experience, will we start getting into

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blackwell, does the state have rebuttal?ed. >>. >> good morning, your honor, counsel, ladies and gentlemen, the state will recall to the stand dr. martin tobin. >> in just one moment, you r honor. >> chief ramsey, what could we be seeing? what happens in a rebuttal? >> this rebuttal has to be this fine line that josh campbell talked b he can't make reference to that newly discovered evidence that was not disclosed. all he can do is talk about the aspect of the enlarged heart and respiratory system. the judge already pointed o it this particular witness though, remember, is a pull mondayology expert. the lungs and he can talk about the enlarged heart. it will be odd. >> all right. swearing him in right now? let's go. >> can you restate your name? take your mask off. >> my name is martin tobin. >> mr. blackwell. >> good morning, mr. tobin. thank you for rejoining us. just a few follow up questions to ask you in rebuttal. but first, just so you're introduced to the jury, you're a pulmonologist. >> yes. lung specialist. >> criti

they very much want the jury to hear from jerry blackwell last. that will be last voice you will hear from in the rebuttal. the defense is expected to go after an hour and a half and we'll get a 20-minute break and mr. blackwell is a prominent african-american attorney described as the midwestern version of johnnie cochran. more of the more interesting things, andrea, that continues to jump out, to me, at least. the death of george floyd sparks this global movement, this racial reckoning. you did not hear or see this morning a reference to race. i'm told you won't see that this afternoon, as well when jerry blackwell does his rebuttal, but in addition, those two things that we just talked about. the 9:29, reminding jurors over and over of the sheer amount of time that officer chauvin had his knee and his full body weight on george floyd's neck. it really was, the first 45 minutes of that closing, the first 45 basically humanizing george floyd, acknowledging the addiction and talking about his past and how he wound up there that day and then in abo

blackwell references in terms of the. oxygen levels the 98 percent oxygen levels what dr feller testified to yesterday was how you can't rely on the oxygen levels because it's the carbon monoxide binds to the oxygen and it can give a false reading you need this high boxy test hypoxia oxygen testing so the. the bottom line is that this is information that has been within the state's control. the state has had ample notice that this could have played the part of dr fallers testimony it is incredibly prejudicial to the defense at this point now after dr fall or has testified and left the state to to bring forth evidence again the jury being the trier of the fact dr follower was pretty clear he was not saying that this was the cause of death he simply opining that it wasn't considered by the state and apparently was considered to be a ridiculous concept by the state of minnesota that didn't they didn't think to test it since this trial has started in addition to this new in for this new evidence the state has had multiple con

blackwell.hose other -- aside from the lab tests, the four points that the state is seeking to present rebuttal. >> obviously, your honor, we wouldn't be having any discussion it's there were not new opinions from dr. fowler raised from the stand. one of those opinions, one i think was objecting to at the time was his discussion of the mayo study. this had to do with the whole issue of the enlarged heart. the cardio megaline. he disclosed to his reliance on molina and the mayo and also the northwestern study that was in this report. and as he knows, the whole point of having reports and disclosures for both sides is so both sides have notice for what is going to be testified to on stand. so he testified about the mayo study anyway. he expressed his opinions about the mayo study. a free kick at the goal. we didn't know that he was going there. >> and what study again? could you sfelpell that one? >> yeah, the mayo study. it is though it should be pronounced mayo. >> okay. >> and what dr. tobin wo

jerry blackwell, i'm going to start with you.d the two of you had never met before this trial. you had not tried a criminal case before. you both did this work pro-bono. why was it important to you to take on this case? >> yeah, i think i've described it as my own moral moment, a moment when you see something that so pierces your consciousness, your sense of right, your sense of justice, that you feel compelled to stand up to offer whatever resources you have within yourself, all of your abilities, to try to right this wrong. and for me, it was that kind of moral moment, and i thought, at the time, that, if the opportunity presents, i will do an offer, whatever i have, for the cause of justice with respect to what i had just seen, and it was just happenstance that, within a week or two of thinking that, i did get a call from the attorney general asking if i would be a special prosecutor in this matter. i thought i would be behind the scenes, given that i had never handled a criminal case. i might help them with the strategies and

their voices on may 25, 2020, were a bouquet of humanity, a phrase i stole from my friend jerry blackwell, a bouquet of humanity -- old, young, men and women, black-and-white, a man from the neighborhood just walking to get a ring, -- a drink, a child going to buy a snack with her cousin, an off-duty firefighter on her way to a community garden -- brave young women, teenagers, who pressed record on their cell phones. why did they stop? they didn't know george floyd. they didn't know he had beautiful family. they didn't know he had been a great athlete and they didn't know that he was a proud father or that he had people in his life who loved him. they stopped and raised their voices and they even challenged authority because they saw his humanity. they stop and they raised their voices because they knew that what they were seeing was wrong. they didn't need to be medical professionals or experts in the use of force -- they knew it was wrong, and they were right. these community members, this bouquet of humanity, did it again in this trial. they performed simple yet profound acts of courag

you will hear from katie blackwell as she will tell you about the training mr. chauvin received. you're going to hear that he was a veteran on the minneapolis police department for 19 years, had been trained in cpr multiple times. and you will be able to see for yourself that when mr. floyd was in distress, mr. chauvin wouldn't help them, didn't tell him. but you're also going to see and learn that among the bystanders was a first responder, a member of the minneapolis fire department who was trained in administering first aid and emergency care. she's going to talk with you. her name is genevieve. she wanted to check his pulse. she wanted to check on mr. floyd's well-being and wanted him to let up and get up. she did her best to intervene to be able to act, to intercede on george floyd's behalf. you will be able to see for your self when she approached mr. chauvin on top of george floyd, he reached for his mace and pointed in her direction, so she will come and talk with you about that experience. now, you're going to learn that in the aftermath of this, that m

that rebuttal will come from jerry blackwell.minneapolis area as johnnie cochran of the midwest, how he was initially described. the black attorney you have seen a lot of during the trial. it is important for the prosecution blackwell be the last voice they hear before they start their deliberations. they will get some jury instructions, although they've been given some and some have been decided upon in a closed-door hearing last week. we're told by legal experts here in hen amin county the judge could provide some of those before the closing and a few more instructions before they start their deliberations. the expectation here, steph, they will get this case in the early afternoon hours. i spent some time last hour talking to a legal expert here in hennepin county who said she does not expect this is going to be one of those cases that jurors are deliberating over for days or weeks. there's an expectation on the ground of legal experts this will be a matter of days. >> and you're on the ground, craig. you've been there before.

blackwell isn't telling you the truth. what we need to show is that the defendant's actions were a substantial causal factor in his death. doesn't have to be the only causal factor, doesn't have to be the biggest factor. just one of them in the cause of death. the instruction will say the fact that other causes contribute to the death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability. dr. baker was clear. those other factors are not direct causes of the death, the direct cause was cardio pulmonary arrest that was in the environment of the police subdual and restraint. after mr. nelson was finished, he said all i did is ask him about what he had written in the certificate on the case. cause of death, cardio pulmonary death. he was crystal clear on it. he did not equivocate. but what you have gotten here is a number of what i call stories. that once you analyze them and you -- >> your honor -- >> once you analyze them and -- against the facts and evidence that you heard, you'll see what i mean. take, for example, the noti

if professor blackwell is on his feet, pay attention, this is a very important moment. he delivered the opening statement for the prosecution and he has stepped in on days like today for this kind of crucial testimony. >> that's exactly right. a trial is nothing more than a choreograph story-telling sessions between the lawyers and the jury. the jury knows that the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in order to secure a conviction here. again, they're doing a master full job of being consistent on that message to the jury. >> and another thing we heard from dr. tobin today was what does not show in the autopsy report and that could be an important as what's in an autopsy report. he made the point that there actually is not a way of seeing the loss of oxygen in an autopsy report. that does not leave a fingerprint. >> let's listen to the way he said that. >> no oxygen is a functional thing like -- it does not leave a fingerprint. it is something that happens. it won't leave any fingerprints afterwards, you don't see it. >> does not mean the person did not die fr

there is a very before mr blackwell begins i'm going to read one of the instructions. and then specifically. that attorneys are officers of the court and it is their duty to make objections they think proper and to argue their client's cause however the arguments or other remarks of an attorney are not evidence if the attorneys or i have made or should make any statement as to what the evidence is the differs from your recollection of the evidence you should disregard that statement and rely solely on your own memory if an attorney's argument contains any statement of law that differs from the law i give you disregard the attorney's statement. thank you donna. good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. last year i think talking to you closings will be and i won't be too long. i want to start talking to you about what i call the 46. you actually have heard from 25 witnesses on the stand but there's a 46 witness and this witness was testifying to you before you got here to the courtroom they testified over everybody else's testimony on the stand it's the only witness that will

and steve schleicher , jerry blackwell, i will start with you.e two of you had never met before this trial. you would not tried criminal case before. you both to this work pro bono. why was it important to you to take on this case? >> i think i described it as my own moral moment. something that so pierces your consciousness, your sense of right and justice, that you feel compelled to stand up and offer whatever resources you have within yourself, all of your abilities, to try to right this wrong. for me, it was that kind of moment. i thght at the time that if the opportunity presents, i will do whatever i can for the cause of justice. it was happenstance that within a week or two of thinking th, i got a call from the attorney general asking if i would be a special prosecutor in this matter. i thought i would be behind the scenes, given that i have never handled a criminal case. that is not how it progressed. the result was what you saw. it was me presenting on tv, trying the case. >> steve, i want to direct us to you. the wall street journal's r

verdict and just before the judge issued his their actions that to the jury we heard from jerry blackwell who was making the last 3 bucks all to the defense's closing statement. effectively telling jurors to use their common sense. riginal you heard of and in. the trial people commented on how we were implications that we were. that we were. was one example that we were creating hollowing stories was another example that these were stories and that was repeated comment. still that we misrepresented facts and put words into dr baker's mouth that we made several statements that they put forth a stories after the court instructed him to use the stop using were stories he clarified and it's just fabricated facts and so there were multiple references to the. that we were shading the truth i mean again so multiple objections this is sensually governed by our state versus mcdaniel in the final argument to the jury a prosecutor is governed by a unique set of rules which differ significantly from laws governing council and several suits and even those governing defense counsel and the very same cr

blackwell didn't tell you the truth. that what t we need to show is that the defendants actions were a substantial causal factor in his death. doesn't have to be only cause or biggest substantial factor it just has to be one of them the substantial factor in the cause of death. and that the instruction will say that the fact that other causes contradict to the death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability. there can be other factors, in fact, doctor baker had a section i think that was called other factors, and he was clear. those other factors are not direct causes of the death, the direct cause was cardiopull money their arrest in police restraighten and neck compression. point blank when i got back, and got to question again after mr. nelson was finished, all i did was ask him what about he had written in his certificate on the case.e. cause of death -- card pulmonary arrest. he did not equivocate but what you havee gotten here is a numbr of what i call stories. that once you analyze them, and you -- ly[i

i believe it will be jerry blackwell. he did the opening in this case, and i felt he did a great job on that. he seems to be the person that wants these big occasions in this trial, so i believe it will be jerry blackwell. what i expect from him is him to come out hard to disprove all of the different causes of death that the defense has thrown out there, such as the drugs, the crowd, the adrenaline, the excited delirium, the pre-existing medical conditions. i think that's what you're going to see from him, spending a lot of time showing it was not that and that george floyd died as a result of derek chauvin's knee on his neck. >> what are you expecting from the defense? >> from the defense, i'm expecting the exact opposite. i think it's important to remember the defense doesn't have to prove anything. all they have to do is poke holes and try to get some doubt from the jury that perhaps something else caused the death of george floyd besides the knee on the neck, beside's derek chauvin's knee on his neck. from the defens

i'm victor blackwell live in new york. more of our coverage of the verdict in the derek chauvin trial. a jury just a few hours ago found the former minneapolis police officer guilty of all three charges against him in the murder of george floyd. now a sentencing is scheduled for eight weeks from now. cnn spoke with george floyd's brother shortly after the guilty verdicts were read. philonise floyd calls the verdicts historic for people of color and deeply personal for his family. remember, while we see george floyd in this global context, he was a brother. he was a son. he was a father. let's hear now what philonise told our sara sidner. >> it's a bit of relief, actually. pace back and forth before i even went into the courtroom. i have faith. i believe in god. so i was optimistic, and i kept saying we will get justice, we will get it. and just sitting in there, just listening to those words, "guilty." and "guilty" and "guilty on all counts." that was a moment that i'll never be able to relive. i will always have it inside

that death by police hit this city following the break on rebuttal prosecutor jerry blackwell last outdefense characterizations of george floyd's death. >> death. he argued was at the hands of officers using unreasonable and in chauvin's case and unauthorized use of force. you were told. >> for example. that mister floyd died. that mister floyd died because his heart was to be you heard that testimony. and now having seen all the evidence haven't heard all the evidence, you know, the truth. and the truth of the matter is. that the reason george floyd is dead. it's because mister chauvin's heart was too small. >> prosecutor jerry blackwell charging the jury with taking a 46th witness with them into the deliberation room. number. 45 witnesses that came before them during the trial. the 46 witness. he identified as common sets. again, they'll be here this morning to begin a full day of deliberations and just a couple of hours live in downtown minneapolis. craig treadway back to you. thank you for that report. great. >> back here at home. we have to get another check of weather with john t

blackwell resumes his examination. mr. shaffer will take care of the rest. hold on, mr. blackwell. let's make sure everybody who would like a copy gets one. spectators should each get a copy if they want one. you will have to give up one of your copies. there you go. mr. blackwell? >> your honor, i think i will give one to dr. thomas. >> she can have mine. >> that way your honor won't have to use the camera. dr. thomas, if we start with the exhibit that's marked 185 -- >> yes. >> i take that back. i would like to see it on my screen. dr. thomas, looking at exhibit 185, what is significant in this photograph that informs your conclusions pertaining to the restraint and subduing? >> this is a photograph of mr. floyd's face. it shows facial injuries, most notably what are called abrasions, which are scrapes over his left eyebrow and over his left cheek. you can also see there's littler scrapes or small cuts on his nose and lip -- upper lip and a little on the left side of his lower lip. the main thing this shows is that the left side of his face was obviously in contact with some roug

blackwell walked him through that testimony and all of those highly technical witnesses, blackwell wasperson and he knew the right questions to ask and they responded in a way that was very understandable to the jury. and if you notice, you know, it was like dr. tobin was teaching a class, which he does all the time. i mean, he was talking directly to the jury. he was teaching as he was talking and i don't know how you overcome that to be honest with you. it was just that powerful. it was highly precise and, you know, the defense will have to put on witnesses, but i doubt seriously they can find anybody that can come even close to touching dr. tobin. >> charles ramsey, ariva martin, thank you both for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you, pamela. >> be sure to stay with us. next hour i'll speak to floyd family attorney jeff storms about what he thinks about the prosecution's case so far. that interview at 7 p.m. right here on cnn. >> just this week border protection found a 10-year-old little boy alone and scared to death. now he is just one of the 20,000 children in u.s. custody