let's listen to tony blair in 1999.ublic sector are more rooted in the concept that if it's - always been done this way, it must always be done this way than any l group of people i've ever come across. i it is not that there aren't - wonderful people in there, with a tremendous commitment to publicl service, but you try getting change, you know, in the public sector- and public services and you know, i bare the scars on my back. so is keir starmer learning from tony blair who, looked so young there didn't he? he tony blair who, looked so young there didn't he?— there didn't he? he is a keen student of— there didn't he? he is a keen student of tony _ there didn't he? he is a keen student of tony blair - there didn't he? he is a keen student of tony blair and - there didn't he? he is a keen i student of tony blair and since there didn't he? he is a keen - student of tony blair and since he stopped being prime minister and in his new book tony blair said early on you have political capital, but little savvy. at the end of

so, sirtony blair, do you miss being prime minister?e always says to me is, "you miss it "until you remember it properly." but of course... of course, in one sense you do. although i, you know, i've been really lucky in the sense that i've built an organisation in which, you know, we do a lot of really interesting things in the world, so i feel an enormous sense of purpose. so i'm not... i'm not sort of longing for it in that way. but if you. . . if you say to me, do i miss it? of course at points you miss it. but do you see why some people might... some people. others would read that, hear it and be in awe and respect it, but some people might regard it with great suspicion. they might say, "what do you want with all this power?" you know, that's a sort of megalomaniac attack. "why do you want to be powerful in the world?" yeah. but, you know, ithink... ..people always say they want politicians to be honest, and then when you are honest, they go, "oh, my goodness!" but... maybe there are exceptions to this, but i don't know any... ..po

blair: i agree.'m sure members will talk about it and i'll switch to everyone's favorite topic, the federal deficit. every administration says they'll do something to bring it down. given your perch in all aspects of government, what does it really take to get at it and how concerned are you in the short term about something unattended? lael: i think the issue about addressing our risk is a medium term challenge but a very important challenge. the president has been able to make some progress through the fiscal responsibility act. we had a trillion dollar reduction. the addition of the inflation reduction act which had mechanisms to pay for itself which is the kind of model we should be following more generally. and the important decisions that lie ahead is there will be a very important set of discussions around tax policy next year because of the expiration of the 2017 tax cuts and the question really has to arise if we want to support a middle class tax cut, which of course we all do for people wh

blair? >> true but i think the best way to win an election is to be absolutely clear where you stand and to set out a direction on a purpose and follow it. so i would distinguish also between an issue like immigration, which is a huge issue all over western politics where i don't think you can dismiss anxiety about immigration has just populism. and i will say about populace, they generally, in my experience, they exploit a grievance, but they don't create it. >> right? the grievances they're so it might view unless you control immigration today, you can have a big problem but when it comes to protectionism, for example, or anti globalization sentiment, fine, you can go down that path of you want, but you're going to find the cost of living goes up you'll find it's much harder, harder for businesses to operate. and one clear economic lesson of history is the more countries close in or themselves the less prosperous they become so some of, some of these things i think you have to say, okay, t

interviews with iran's new president, masoud pezeshkian and with the former british prime minister tony blair will skip the take this week. there's simply too much breaking news. will get straight to it. the crisis in the middle east, it is in uncharted territory. >> on friday, israel killed a long hezbollah leader, hassan nasrallah in a massive strike in the southern suburb forbes of beirut. >> the attack is part of a recent major escalation of israeli air strikes against the iranian proxy group in lebanon. >> more than 1,000 people have been killed since the uptick last week, and hundreds of thousands of lebanese have been displaced the attack on nasrallah was a triumph for israeli intelligence, but it also raises many questions joining me now from tel aviv as ronen bergman, staff writer for the new york times magazine welcome you are fantastic and reporting on these kinds of issues. >> how did israel's intelligence figure out when azrallah was explained this operation because it seems like they've been trying to do this for years how did them succeed anywhere deterred from doing that? >> b

it goes back to tony blair's time. he was close to blair.to anji hunter, who was tony blair's gatekeeper, the kind of their version of sue gray, basically. so it's understandable that because these people are his friends, thatis these people are his friends, that is where his largesse would go.then that is where his largesse would go. then when you when you nail it down, it depends on which bits we're talking about. if you're talking about wes streeting having a fundraiser at his flat. that to me seems perfectly reasonable that if you talk about, siobhan mcdonagh getting a £12 million loan to buy a house, that her sister margaret, a former general secretary of the party, great friend of lord alli, was dying of a brain tumour, needed a bathroom and a bedroom downstairs. that to me seems to be perfectly reasonable, even though it's a very large amount of money. >> i don't disagree with that ehhen >> it's the gifts that are the problem and i know1 >> it's the gifts that are the problem and i know 1 or 2 people who aren't completely poor, 1 or 2

blair: i agree. i'm sure members will talk about it and i'll switch to everyone's favorite topic, the federal deficit. every administration says they'll do something to bring it down. given your perch in all aspects of government, what does it really take to get at it and how concerned are you in the short term about something unattended? lael: i think the issue about addressing our risk is a medium term challenge but a very important challenge. the president has been able to make some progress through the fiscal responsibility act. we had a trillion dollar reduction. the addition of the inflation reduction act which had mechanisms to pay for itself which is the kind of model we should be following more generally. and the important decisions that lie ahead is there will be a very important set of discussions around tax policy next year because of the expiration of the 2017 tax cuts and the question really has to arise if we want to support a middle class tax cut, which of course we all do for people

there was a big row in 1997 when tony blair- row in 1997 when tony blair first took over...a privileges... if the system has worked that successful business people from the right can give money, viewers who are voters should be knowing that that has been happening all the way through our system... that is the system. the other way of doing is that you stop that and the public pays the money. you can pay the prime minister more if you want to, but there seems to be very little appetite for that. there is a very british story there as well. we do want people in public life to suffer a bit for being in public life. there's all sorts of arguments you can — there's all sorts of arguments you can have about whether politicians ought to have different allowances will be paid — different allowances will be paid more. the problem for the government is that this is a government is that this is a government distinctively, that was clearly elected on a platform to be above this sort of self — platform to be above this sort of self. keir starmer used to say to— of self. keir starmer used

that is ultimately going to spill over into to the battle of blair mountain. there's lots of right for miners. you know, they didn't know like if hatfield's death was was warranted had killed some people. there were also some rumors swirling. right. you know, hatfield had actually married mayor testament's wife two weeks after he was killed. right. some people said it was a promise to make or testament. but the felt's agents, the mine bosses, right. they it was that he killed testerman, right. so that he could eventually marry as marry his wife. so there's there's lots of these things. but for the miners, you know, they don't they don't care. right. for them, that's noise. right. sid hatfield, a martyr. right. so baldwin felt at this point had martyr, right? a figurehead, the of the movement. he was someone who who represented. right. the fight against the repressive and oppressive coal mining or coal camp system. also, the felt's mine guard system as well. and and in in a result right. you know, this is going to lead to a lot of vandalism, a lot of destructio

blair many times, it's easy to fall into the trap of of eurocentric thinking, and i include of course australia and north america in that eurocentric bracket, so that's my first point, these things will all be decided by the 87% of the world, or more likely the 91% of today's children when they uh grow up. our country is vassel state, as my equivalent in germany, sara vagen knecht, member of the german parliament, victor of huge leap forward in recent elections in germany, she said, "i think yesterday that germany is vassal state of the united states of america, and so are assole state of the united states of america, and what does vassle do? they provide goods and services for their master. in return, their master allows them a mod of comfort, a crum of comfort to live their lives." long enough to go on serving their master, will the british people continue to put up with it? will the germans, the french continue to put up with it? well, that's not guaranteed. the outcome cannot be guaranteed either way. the apple is there on the tree, but the apple doesn't fall from the tree. you ha

but come on, the blair thing. >> yeah, i mean, in terms of blair's interview, i mean, he's basically prime minister between 2004 and 2008, 2009, before brown came in, that somehow he's not responsible for a country the size of sweden that's moved here in terms of net migration. i mean, actually, i checked the figures earlier, you know, britain's population growth is about 60% more as a result of that. now, as it happens , i'm pro migration, happens, i'm pro migration, i think, as you say, we needed those people for our economy. >> we needed people anyway. >> we needed people anyway. >> yeah, but we should have been also training our own. that's that's my other point. >> and there you go. >> and there you go. >> are we capable of training our own? are our people too dim and too idle to actually do work? no, i'm asking the question because something is going on in our nation. we have loads of people who are suddenly sick following a covid and honestly, we need people to work. we need we need competition for jobs. we need people to work hard and all we hear all day long is, oh, take it

in 2005 tony blair won a third consecutive _ cleverly.victory. - cleverly. in 2005 tony blair won a third consecutive victory. i - cleverly. in 2005 tony blair won a third consecutive victory. i have i third consecutive victory. i have seen us fight back from the obscurity of opposition. write to downing street. i know what it takes. i know the qualities required, the leader that will bring us back to power and back to life. you have got to have somebody who is really clear minded. someone with a vision of what britain should and could look like under the conservatives. someone who is capable of selling that vision, not through pessimism but for the optimism of what this country can become. not through platitudes and sound bites but through actual delivery. it has to be someone truly able to leave team. i have had the privilege of occupying quite a number of roles in the cabinet. he would have to go somewhere back. that has given me a unique perspective on our colleagues. you get to see the different styles, how various different secretar

and blair just that people don't like it. much finer political antennae. >> well, i think he did. i mean, tony blair used to say that he had been at the gallowgate end at saint james's park watching newcastle when jackie milburn was playing, despite the fact that jackie milburn, i think, stopped playing before he was born. but but look, i tell you, what slightly worries me about this is rishi sunak, and i'm not his greatest fan. he would sit in the stands at southampton, you know, down at saint mary's. and so i can understand the security thing. now, if the prime minister's security people said, no, you cannot sit there, then if i would sit in a box, but i would pay for it. >> but it seems very unlikely that the leader of the opposition's security team were telling the leader of the opposition he needed higher security than the prime minister. >> i think it's slightly different in the case of the labour party, because of the islamic issue. all labour mps and even sadly ex—labour mps get targeted by some people. we saw that ch

, tony blair. >> tony blair, tony blair. >> that is a smart part of the solution, a digital id and then could come in. it doesn't matter if they've dumped their documents, because guess what? they wouldn't have that id and then you know who is here, who isn't. that is a big part of the solution. >> you have a smartphone and therefore they can't show their digital id. the whole thing. they'll find excuses. and i'm afraid leftist politicians will be all too happy to take them. >> you could almost think tony blair let them in so that he could bring in digital id. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> far more people came into britain under the conservatives than they did under tony blair. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> all right? right i'm going to abuse the position of the chair and go next. right. we're all going to go live to france shortly to actually cover protests kicking off there in the next hour. so stay tuned for that because we'll be coming back to some of those themes. but today folks, we are diving headfirst into the surreal world of political hypocrisy. tony bl

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blair won one again. of these people are prime minister ever. >> my goodness, there's a sobering thought now, folks. they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. enter stage left, our friends. the germans, who may be about to humiliate the uk government by adopting a rwanda type scheme which our own glorious leaders have just axed. to add insult to injury, the bbc report that germany could make use of facilities funded by britain to process asylum seekers in the african state. isn't that nice of us? will the germans send us a giant bratwurst as a way of saying thank you? whatever the germans do, starmer was a silly sausage for scrapping the plan in the first place. yes, he's got a chipolata on his shoulder about it. meanwhile, as 8000 people have successfully crossed the channel into britain since starmer became prime minister, how is his plan to smash the criminal gangs going? it looks about as successful as katie price's latest plastic surgery operation by scrapping rwanda. labour have mad

whereas blair, there was an interview with blair and campbell a while ago, and you could just see campbell kept pushing his extreme trump derangement syndrome. but blair was far more sensible because he understands you have to work with these people and he talks about berlusconi and how he we got the olympics partly because of his deal with berlusconi, apparently. >> yeah, i love that berlusconi saying to him, well, how much do you want it? and he says, i really want it for britain. go on then we'll change our vote. >> he can't have it. reads like he missed out the bit where he had to sleep with him , but he had to sleep with him, but he probably had to offer him something. >> berlusconi probably owns , >> berlusconi probably owns, like sheffield or something. we don't know. i know he's dead, but you know his family owns it forever. >> probably improve the place. nick. the sunday telegraph finally, there's a type of pensioner we can attack. >> yeah, it's a gold plated pubuc >> yeah, it's a gold plated public sector. pensions cost every household £173,000. so they're calling this a $5 trill

blair won one again.these people are prime minister ever. >> my goodness, there's a sobering thought now, folks. they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. enter stage left, our friends. the germans, who may be about to humiliate the uk government by adopting a rwanda type scheme which our own glorious leaders have just axed. to add insult to injury, the bbc report that germany could make use of facilities funded by britain to process asylum seekers in the african state. isn't that nice of us? will the germans send us a giant bratwurst as a way of saying thank you? whatever the germans do, starmer was a silly sausage for scrapping the plan in the first place. yes, he's got a chipolata on his shoulder about it. meanwhile, as 8000 people have successfully crossed the channel into britain since starmer became prime minister, how is his plan to smash the criminal gangs going? it looks about as successful as katie price's latest plastic surgery operation by scrapping rwanda. labour have made a

and for tony blair it was 1082 days.tion i put to you there, it's when you work that out as 11 times faster than the average of 765 days for most leaders, releasing criminals, as lizzie says, pursuing those on facebook, this net zero penchant for making things expensive in this country and making our pensioners freeze well, it's like the man's got a death wish, isn't it? >> well, i mean, on releasing prisoners, that was something he was forced into doing because the previous prime minister was so, was so cavalier to let the prisons, to let the prisons get to a stage where they were at capacity. >> so not actually can i just say tony blair was one that knew the prisons were crumbling and schools and did nothing about it. let me tell you what is so awful is that if i have a friend who has suffered with domestic abuse and is so scared at night that her ex—partner is going to be released, how can starmer sleep at night when he's releasing you know all the wrong people and letting in the wrong people and letting in the wrong

coming up in the saturday night showdown, tony blair has reappeared once again , blair has reappeared once again, wading into the debate on misinformation on social media. but after he went to war on a dodgy dossier, is he not the worst person on earth to be talking about dodgy data? plus, in germany , the right is on the in germany, the right is on the rise as the country deals with regular terror attacks. this week there's a shootout with an islamist near the israeli consulate in munich. still, i'm sure it'll work out fine. nothing bad could possibly happen with populist far right parties in germany, right? this is your saturday night showdown . is your saturday night showdown. with . with. discussing all tonight's topics with me are my brilliant panel. joining me tonight are an absolutely cracking pair. we've got dating coach and entrepreneur kezia noble and lawyer. magician. can you tell he's a magician? he's got a floating bottle and three time world thumb wrestling champion andrew eborn. but first, let's get your latest news headlines from tatiana sanchez . from tatiana sanchez.

make an argument like that and carry the country with him on a wave of goodwill in a way that tony blairapproval ratings is that keir starmer begins, as many politicians do these days, because it seems that the public isjust more fed up with politics and less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt than in previous eras. you know, whether keir starmer can find a way to carry people with him in the same way. and that talks to something that we've talked about a lot, is whether keir starmer, as a leader, has the sort of quicksilver and the nimbleness to be able to turn a difficult situation into something that feels like it doesn't matter, or the ability to make quick decisions to move on from a difficult decision. and i think there always have been and still are question marks about those kinds of things, those attributes that people have never been 100% sure that he has, that kind of you know, i was going to say, i don't know, that kind ofjust that ability to think incredibly quickly, to be nimble when he is in what is a political pickle. because prime ministers are always in polit

did tony blair and for peerages.t an enormous amount of damage and this is building up to be just as bad. the labour party have got address their donations properly. it's bad enough they are paid by the trade unions. but this is much worse because it looks murky and if it isn't murky then be transparent. >> absolutely. the thing is, and they can be transparent about they can be transparent about the money and they're only becoming transparent now because journalists are digging into this. people are demanding to know answers to this. but i still don't know the why, nigel. and that is what bothers me. i mean, when he was saying there may not be a white bear in mind there's always a why. >> well, if we leave it, leave it at simply why? he supported tony blair's labour party and why he supports keir starmer's labour party is because he believes in it. that is a possible why. i'm not saying it is the why, but a possible why. >> yes, but that's not enough for me. i'm sorry. you can't say he believes in it. he believes in

i opposed and voted against many, many aspects of it, but it was never said by tony blair, give me this legislation, and i will use it to raid 61-year-old housewives. in england, steal their things, ban them from using the phone or the computer, buse that's what happened to sarah wilkinson. he never said, give me this power and i will use it to drive dissidents like the honorable craig murray, former ambassador out of the country, so these are dark days, no doubt, and no one knows how far this... repression will spread, the day might come when we all have to move to roger waters house in greece, who knows, we may have even go further field, but as long as we are able for, we'll stand up and speak, and our song will be sung and heard. dr. ray higginson is in wales, might be the last call. let's see, dr. ray, welcome, what would you like? to see, hi george, um, about two weeks ago you um recommended people read this book, which i did, wonderful, yeah, it's a fantastic read, but i was just wondering, are you aware of this one, which is about um, the danger that currently exists with - the

now i'm told the letter was organized by top harris backers that included blair efron and comes as harris is tacking to the middle including that move this week to soften biden's stance on capital gains taxes solely in order to shore up private sector support. trump does have executive-level support as well, including a number of billionaires and players like elon musk and howard lutnick, but the letter does help harris argue the momentum is on her side. it comes on the same day her campaign reported out fundraising trump in august, 361 million to $130 million. while polls are mostly tied in those battleground states we can see now how harris is leaning on her cash advantage in these

that's what tony blair did.s is rather like a doctor coming in and saying, god, you're really ill. you're much iller than i thought. it's really ill. and i don't really know what's wrong with you. it's the subtext that's honestly how i read it. and because. because labour haven't offered an in—depth analysis of how we got to this dire situation, other than it's the dreadful tories, and a lot of it was the dreadful tories. you know, that, you know, it's the failure of the free market model , but they're free market model, but they're not there's no sense of a deep alternative to that order. and that's exactly what. >> so he does do that. >> so he does do that. >> why i think the speech didn't hit its heart. he does the analysis. >> he says the free market can't resolve these things. we need to intervene. he says that explicitly. and then he says that we will relink this idea that we will relink this idea that if you put the hard work in, you will get rewarded, he says. that's what happened when he was young, that

applause and it was the tony blair government through the amazing tessa jowell who brought the londong people like imogen to go on, dream big, cheap beer, and inspire the next. find on, dream big, cheap beer, and inspire the next.— on, dream big, cheap beer, and inspire the next. and opened up with the support _ inspire the next. and opened up with the support of _ inspire the next. and opened up with the support of chris - with the support of chris smith, gordon brown and tony blair, our national museums and galleries to the nation, returning them to the people to whom they belong. applause you see, we have never accepted in labour that the chance to live richer, larger lives belongs only to some of us, and, conference, we never ever will! applause cheering we face a choice as a country and as a government. to be the last guardians of this chapter or the first pioneers of the next. so with our fantastic team, chris, steph, fiona, vicky and kim, change begins now. we will be the light on the hill to open up those opportunities to a generation again and put people back at the centre of

blair, lots of things that i don't agree with about tony blair and different things that he did.ion. you can't say the man didn't have a mission and you can't say that he didn't actually change many things in this country for the better, including lots of schools in my area and lots of opportunities for young people, etc. and i hate the way that he's always he's always, you know, done down. i think history will look back and actually speak well of him. >> well, he's certainly got stuff done, didn't he? i mean, uncontrolled mass migration opening the floodgates. i mean, i don't know, it's not going to be tony blair unfortunately . be tony blair unfortunately. john, any other day i would say you would be our greatest britain because of course you are a legendary journalist. you have expertise far exceeding and this is my last day. it's your last show, of course, as well. and we're going to be very sad to lose you. so any other day it would be you. but i'm going to do something special tonight. it's going to be all the young kids who are starting school this september , including my

but the battle of blair mountain is going to be a big one there will be shots that ring out. and the sheriff's deputy you also have those war heroes that were there with the warplanes. they don't actually fly those, but the sheriff of logan county he was pretty riled up by the war figures. they fly these overhead and they are dropping bombs on the minors on the side of this mountain. none of them actually hit their target but i do think actually one of the planes does crash into a house. you can see the size of this of the confrontation that is taking place. there are bullets that are ricocheting. they are echoing off of the buildings and off of the rocks, off the trees themselves. when the dust settles it is pretty interesting. they were deeply entrenched and was very difficult for the close quarter for hand-to-hand combat to be successful at this time but what puts an end to it is that the governor is coordinating a lot with washington, d.c. and federal troops come in. they were not going to buy the u.s. army and they certainly didn't have the ability to do that. they lay d

. >> well, that happened because you know, tony blair, tony blair caused all of that.the labour party had a proud history of commitment to penal reform going through the 50s. 60s and 70s and so on. then tony blair comes along and says, tough on crime, tough on the cause of crime. and all we've heard from labour party since then , from 1997, party since then, from 1997, from david blunkett on is lock em up, lock em up, longer sentences. you know why ipp sentences. you know why ipp sentences dpp sentences? >> because we learn from our mistakes and we listen to people . mistakes and we listen to people. and there is a responsible demand from people that they want. people who commit serious crimes to be locked up. and we faced a crisis where if we hadnt faced a crisis where if we hadn't agreed to early release, we wouldn't have been able to lock up. serious. >> what do you do? what do you achieve? but the reason these prisoners were released early was off the back of the riots in response to the southport killings. it's easy to forget that. no, no, no no no no, we agreed e

i the style that, dare i say, blair was. i just the style that, dare i say, blair was .n't the style that, dare i say, blair was. i just don't think he's got that sort of gift. many people don't. >> and these problems are quite serious. there's a lot of back biting briefing going on. i saw the last couple of days that the transport secretary was being attacked for agreeing the deal with aslef, and she's saying, no, it was all done through proper government systems . proper government systems. that's the sort of thing that happens when governments are losing their edge, not when they've just got in. >> well, it's also the sort of thing that happens when governments are finding their way in the early days. i mean, there's a literal issue about people getting used to how, you know, how you govern systems being put in place, which do vary between each government. i mean, it's actually my 30th, 30 years since my first party conference, which actually was tony blair's announcement of getting rid of clause four. now, it was no for match that today. and i think you know, but i t

how labour are helping and tony blair about the downside welcome back to headliners.our first look at thursday's newspapers. i'm leo carson, i'm still here with carrie marks and jonathan kogan . we've got the jonathan kogan. we've got the sun now with a famous face knocked out early in the tory leadership contest. to paraphrase the sex pistols is pretty vacant. well, priti patel slot is now vacant. jonathan. >> yeah, a woman hasn't been knocked out so brutally in pubuc knocked out so brutally in public since the olympic boxing. so priti patel is first out of tory leadership race as robert jenrick surges ahead. but kemi badenoch hot on his heels. so robert jenrick has today emerged as the new frontrunner in the tory leadership race, followed by kemi. so the x immigration minister picked up 28 votes, which was enough to win well enough to be in the lead and miss badenoch got 22 votes and then, yeah, priti patel, who was then, yeah, priti patel, who was the home secretary, which i already knew apparently was knocked out of the contest picking up just 14 votes. so that's

the former labour leader tony blair.mits too many people are working unlawfully and the uk needs to be much stricter. okay, so a little disagreement between tony blair and sir keir starmer who might win. >> well, joining us now is our political correspondent katherine forster, who has the details. catherine. trouble in paradise . paradise. >> haha, yes. good afternoon tom and emily. well, we know that the former labour leader tony blair still has big opinions and likes to let them be known. he said the other day that he rather wishes that he was still prime minister. of course he's not. it's sir keir starmer now, but tony blair has been saying for some time that he thinks the uk should introduce compulsory digital id cards. now this is something that he would have liked to , sir >> yes, the prime minister, sir keir starmer, is resisting tony blair's calls for compulsory digital id cards. the former labour leader tony blair. he argues it would deter migrants from coming to the uk, but admits too many people are working un

come back on that. >> but tony blair didn't invest.. he knew that that. no he didn't. he knew that that. no he didn't. he knew prisons were crumbling. schools were crumbling. he did nothing . nothing. >> record levels. he took investment underlines the new labour government. all you're doing, all you're doing, lizzie, is picking up any mud you can throw. you're now bringing in iraq as if i supported the iraq war. i'm saying the new labour government invested heavily conservative government interest rates under andrew, interest rates under andrew, interest rates under andrew, interest rates under andrea's tories were extraordinarily low. what an opportunity to invest in our country so that we could have a platform for growth as as a result of your legacy, our country is almost broken. >> i'm going to be totally impartial here, guys. i've heard enough of your nonsense, matthew. we're going to go straight to. >> yes, that. does it sound very impartial? >> yes or no? quiz. you know, you know the rules. you have to answer yes or no. there c

actually, he's like a blair post. blair. he's not as good as blair. he's kind of post blair.just wants power , machiavellian just wants power, doesn't care about all this politics stuff. it's all about managing and power, right? >> no. oh, no, he is he is a politician. but his the people who's voting for him are the world team. our team world. >> i like the way he switched it there. >> oh i forgot what it was, what i was talking about. just say no because he was saying yes. >> you said no. and then you had to think, well, why do i mean no? >> well, because no is always more interesting than i agree with you, but but the truth is he's he is he's more manly. i find him very. >> what are you going on here? what's all this? >> he's. >> he's. >> he's. >> he's more keir starmer. >> he's more keir starmer. >> he's more manly than the other labour prime minister. rishi sunak rishi sunak or. that was a joke. david david miliband. david >> an inadvertent joke from shaffer. it was a good joke, but his first joke. >> and it was an accident. he's david taliban. >> he's basically a brand n